Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

i know you won't agree fred, but i think TM has the makings of a very good and strong PM ...... if that happens to be in a similar mold to MT, then i shall not be unhappy

Mother Theresa craved for leadership , rubbish who else was there to do it , and how can you make any judgement on a person you mock continually indeed country , party etc , you must think we are all as full of derision as you Freda .

The terms of exit have to be negotiated between Britain’s 27 EU member counterparts, and each will have a veto over the conditions.

It will also be subject to ratification in national parliaments, meaning, for example, that say, Belgian MPs (ie. not Belgian MEPs) could stymie the entire process.

IMHO, this is the most likely scenario for at least some of the leaving conditions and new arrangements. If it happens, which I think it will, then I do think we are most likely to be leaving the EU without any kind of a deal.

The Scottish Nicola Democrats are also intent on the devolution of Scotland from the UK. I am pretty sure we won't be able to get them to 'shut up' about it.

And then we have the Northern Ireland/Eire boundary problem to solve. The guys on both sides of the border can historically be very stubborn and very awkward too.

eg.

Auf weidersein Mrs Merkel , au revoir Hollande and good riddance Junker ... we're off to the land of the free and no more stupid laws and regulations from you lot.

Would say it was nice knowing you but it wasn't.

And I'm still available as a negotiator if anyone needs me.

Dil,

Why not try a desert island without music.

You could be happy on one.

Take Vicky with you.

Party pooper .

Landmark day today, hope we're out before the Italian banks implode.

Double talk and treachery..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975

Vicky,

I think you probably would be.

I see the EU have scuttled the Borse taking over the LSE , funny old Merkel didn't intervene . The Germans slowly taking over in the UK even , not sure but would think best it didn't happen .

Perhaps, they realise the money is already migrating to the EU anyway.

everyone knows is the main issue to settle .............

British PM May says hopes to settle rights of EU nationals in Britain early

LONDON, March 29 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Wednesday she hoped to be able to agree a deal to clarify the position of European Union nationals in Britain and British nationals in the EU as early as possible in the Brexit negotiations.

May triggered Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty earlier on Wednesday, kicking off the formal two-year Brexit negotiation process.

"I would hope that we could deal with this issue of EU nationals here and UK nationals in other member states at as early as possible a stage in the negotiations," she told parliament.

"I believe there is good will on both sides to do that."

What interests me is what the effect of promised increased trading deals and contracts outside the EU will be on the “economy”, “wages” for the majority of the UK public.

Simply put, if, as I “think,” the majority of “new” trading partners are hoped to be with “low” or lower middle” income countries and developing communities in order to make up of loss of “trading” with the EU, the production cost and sales will be driven down.

Efficiency “drives” may play a part, but for many “articles”, a major cost of production is “labour” and that will be a stumbling block for those employed in the economy and the economy as a whole.

It seems the future for many is bleaker.

many decades ago, uk "forgot" that the non-academic need vocational courses and aprrentceships

all gov'ts got hung upon this nonsense of non-competitive schooling and encouraging one and all to get worthless uni degrees

now we have uselessly qualified youngsters who haven't a hope in hell of doing anything productive - they wouldn't know where to start

Are you referring to me in your last sentence?

But the first part is due to the demise of "heavy" and "allied" industries under the administration of your old icon Maggie.

it started decades b4 that when non-selective schools were touted as the way for the future - hahaha!

Here's what was in the first section of the Article 50 letter from the Prime Minister, Theresa May, to President Donald Tusk:

Dear President Tusk

On 23 June last year, the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. As I have said before, that decision was no rejection of the values we share as fellow Europeans. Nor was it an attempt to do harm to the European Union or any of the remaining member states. On the contrary, the United Kingdom wants the European Union to succeed and prosper. Instead, the referendum was a vote to restore, as we see it, our national self-determination. We are leaving the European Union, but we are not leaving Europe - and we want to remain committed partners and allies to our friends across the continent.

Earlier this month, the United Kingdom Parliament confirmed the result of the referendum by voting with clear and convincing majorities in both of its Houses for the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill. The Bill was passed by Parliament on 13 March and it received Royal Assent from Her Majesty The Queen and became an Act of Parliament on 16 March.

Today, therefore, I am writing to give effect to the democratic decision of the people of the United Kingdom. I hereby notify the European Council in accordance with Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Union. In addition, in accordance with the same Article 50(2) as applied by Article 106a of the Treaty Establishing the European Atomic Energy Community, I hereby notify the European Council of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community. References in this letter to the European Union should therefore be taken to include a reference to the European Atomic Energy Community.

She goes on further with: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/29_03_17_article50.pdf

Yours sincerely

Theresa May

Manuel,

In one way you right and my clock must have stopped.

However one of the largest "apprentice" trainers was Coal Mining (NCB).

They provided "training" as miners, mechanics, electrician or supervisor and technical night schools and training and supported some obtaining University degrees.

Some going onto HCN, BSc and MSc etc. and other Colliery manager qualification.

Some escaping from coal mining into other areas of industry etc. with their qualifications.

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(I think similar applied to other heavy industries.)