Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Aye Jimmy you couldn't make it up LOL!!!

Here is a treat for the lefties on here. A famous quote from Lenin in response to liberal democracy.

“To decide once every few years which member of the ruling class is to repress and crush the people through parliament- this is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarism. Liberal democracy is thus seen as an archetypal bourgeois system which is ‘ hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation’ and is thus ‘ a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich.’

True enough though Haystack.

Problem is, the other side are worse!

Hays won't understand this C+P/

But remember who whipped his party over the vote on Syria and why he did it!

Perhaps, they were missing a good thrashing!

"Or do they follow Edmund Burke’s classic formulation that the highest duty of an MP is to exercise his or her individual conscience and judgment? “It ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention… But his unbiased opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living… Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”


I lean to the Burkeian definition of the role of an MP. I’d rather have his or her honest judgment than a slavish obedience to opinions imposed on them. But there is no law about this. Most MPs manage to muddle through, answering the accountability conundrum by striking compromises between their own opinions and the sometimes conflicting demands of their leadership, their members and their constituents."


Also, what is the opinion those who are whipped and vote against their "conscience", even though they considered it pragmatic to do so?

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EU's Donald Tusk tells David Cameron: no deal over welfare plan

Donald Tusk, president of European Council, gives Prime Minister February deadline to complete EU renegotiation, as he warns there is 'no consensus' for welfare reforms



Paul Nuttall, the Ukip deputy leader, said Mr Cameron now has no choice but to campaign to leave, after privately promising to support an exit if his demands were ignored.

“President Tusk has called Cameron’s bluff. Britain has been told we will get no substantial change on welfare benefits for EU migrants. Cameron must now follow through on his threat to campaign to leave the EU as he has not received even the minor changes that that he asked for."



full story here:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12037568/EUs-Donald-Tusk-tells-David-Cameron-no-deal-over-welfare-plan.html

Max.

it is OK.

Cameron can cosy up with Marine Le Pen and really be a breath of fresh air the UK and Europe.

Imagine Marine and Dave and the neo-cons right wing divvying up Europe.

Who is the tragedy?


World | Mon Dec 7, 2015 8:55pm GMT Related: WORLD, UK, IMF


Osborne calls U.S. Congress's China stance a 'tragedy'

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-osborne-idUKKBN0TQ2BL20151207?feedType=nl&feedName=worldNews

It is my belief basically that Britain and the British way of life is seriously threatened . With this massive influx of Foreigners who basically don't integrate , breed faster , have their own laws , do nothing for local communities , impose their beliefs on you etc etc . Aided and abetted by the EU which goes mad on H & S , only to allow some of the most dangerous scum ever to live on the Planet to fester and plan their terror in two of the biggest cities in the EU , Brussels being unbelievable . Some want to stay inside this what is becoming a nightmare .

Paul Nuttall, the Ukip deputy leader, said Mr Cameron now has no choice but to campaign to leave, after privately promising to support an exit if his demands were ignored.

“President Tusk has called Cameron’s bluff. Britain has been told we will get no substantial change on welfare benefits for EU migrants. Cameron must now follow through on his threat to campaign to leave the EU as he has not received even the minor changes that that he asked for."
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The above from Max last night , i agree that Cameron will be in a tricky situation if he doesn't get what he wants ,
What does he do then ? vote out with the rest of us ?

Was it 1 million asylum seekers into Germany as of yesterday , just the start .

This thread is beginning to read like the Donald Trumps of the ENP.

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Wait for the N.E wanting to leave the UK after devolvement!

UP YOURS .

I can tell he's here . I can feel the misery ..

JB,

It must be an image of your mother.

Did she desert you, or is are developing an obsessional disorder seems imminent?

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Get that horse ready Jimmy .

Just for JB.

A Maggie Thatcher look-alike!

What I 'd like to know is , how are the amounts of money spent on all these freebie getters accounted for in the Budget . We here about % of unemployed etc , how do we know the figure of all these people . They say they are good for the Economy but if you have to pay them to live how does it work .

Velocity of money.

The more the money circulates around the economy, the more taxes it attracts, ie vat.

This allows the pols to spend more on pet projects and claim everything is on the up an up.


For most people it's an illusion, they are not getting richer, it just seems that way. (the 1 % on the other hand, are doing just fine)

I dare say though that a fair no of these people are sending money back home , which is lost to UK .