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RTD - Why? (RTD)     

Nitefly - 15 Sep 2003 10:55

Why are we again at 10.5p bid?

It doesn't add up...

Good Results + Strong buying pre results + Christmas online buying soon = Price drop

Then again some companies that have debt for equity hanging in the balance, poor results and bankruptcy around the corner and they go up!

Why sell now at a loss?

Wont that be a kick in the teeth when we see 13.5p 14p again!

Best of luck all.

Fundamentalist - 03 Feb 2004 12:20 - 660 of 2406

In for the long term - I personally don't think we will see 28-30p before the results - though we may do so after the results

Midazmidaz - 03 Feb 2004 12:43 - 661 of 2406

Added 100k this am @ 20

washlander - 03 Feb 2004 12:51 - 662 of 2406

Lol better go I have been adding. I agree 28-30 a bit excessive. More realistic at 23-25

petralva - 03 Feb 2004 13:41 - 663 of 2406

i sold last week at 22.80,although want to get back in but not sure whether the price is fair value at prescent,having almost doubled since september,trd havent won any new contracts,they have been cost cutting to squeeze out more profit,and also not sure where the growth is going to come from with the into of chip and pin,obvously crooks will look more into the card not present area and increase perhaps that way by the internet,and above all there are no institutional holders out there.

apple - 03 Feb 2004 15:56 - 664 of 2406

petralva

Re : institutional holders, read the RNS!

overgrowth - 03 Feb 2004 20:56 - 665 of 2406

Still holding and I'm prepared to ride the dips. I've been looking into putting some RTD into an ISA to lessen the blow from the taxman when the price rises to above 1.

Fundamentalist - 03 Feb 2004 21:03 - 666 of 2406

Overgrowth - sensible idea - I've 90,000 in my ISA from 10p and the taxman isn't having a penny of it!

javidshaik - 04 Feb 2004 10:33 - 667 of 2406

i bailed out yesterday! might by in again today if there is a bit more of a drop.

Tokyo - 04 Feb 2004 10:56 - 668 of 2406

what is happening to this stock?
down again today

javidshaik - 04 Feb 2004 11:07 - 669 of 2406

i guess takeover bid has gone quiet so day traders have jumped ship bringing share price down and with the probable announcement of interest rate hike tomorrow doesnt help.
i would think this is all temporary though. not a real worry so long term this stock will continue.

javid

javidshaik - 04 Feb 2004 17:48 - 670 of 2406

rtd has a chance to do a head and shoulders. if it does that then i will probably come back in but otherwise having broken through support, moving average and generally doing all the signs of a downward heading share, i think it is safer to be out than in myself. i hope it does do a head and shoulders so i cna jumo on again. this is a good company and will go places but i dont have time to wait anymore.

nematode - 04 Feb 2004 18:19 - 671 of 2406

javidshaikh,you're nothing but a me,me,me..you've shown your true colours and you add nothing to this bb apart from your own greedy agenda...best you don't come back!!!!WE longtermers don't like you day traders.

javidshaik - 04 Feb 2004 18:27 - 672 of 2406

nematode - what the hell is chewing your ass?
first of all, i am hardly a day trader and even if i was, how does that cause you distress?
secondly, your a fool for making a post like that nematode!
thirdly, yes i am greedy! i want profit and always will. whats your problem with that?
lastly, read my post again. i said i like rtd, i am not in anyway abusing the company and i will be happy to get back in providing it gives me some buy signals again. at present it has fallen through my particular moving average. what my criteria is may well not be yours but thats my choice not yours.
you choose to be a longtermer and that is your choice!

nematode - 04 Feb 2004 18:56 - 673 of 2406

The thing is you post your views on this thread on a false premise lulling some poor unsuspecting soul just so you can reap the harvest and sod the guy/lass whose bought in at the higher priceonly for you to then come along and then tell them,sorry people I'm a rat,I've jumped ship now you're all own your own.In other words,not so long ago you were touting the shares at 30-35p and now you've bailed out...that's a)not ethical and b)you don't realise but you've lost all street cred. on this bb in one go.

Do other guys agree or disagree with me???

javidshaik - 04 Feb 2004 19:10 - 674 of 2406

your very weird nematode!
now you want ot start a voting system on this thread.
if you are unhappy with something i may have said then contact me privately otherwise refrain from such rubbish on here.

if you look past my previous threads, i also said there is a resistance around 22p and 28-30p. hence my departure. yes i said this was a good share but i have been saying that since i held it at 9p. if i bailed and didnt tell anyone on here then that would be bad. i decided to explain my action. i have decided to filter you so if you have anything to say, i suggest you contact me by clicking on my name.

overgrowth - 04 Feb 2004 21:32 - 675 of 2406

I can see why nematode is frustrated by the recent selling, as a long termer also I tend to think "why on earth are all these numpties selling off for a few hundred or thousand quid profit - all they've got to do is wait 1/2 years and that investment will be turned into thousands or hundreds of thousands in some cases".

However, it's all horses for courses. Whereas, I'm happy to bear (quite substantial) losses for long term phenomenal gains, I hate to sell too early and risk missing out on a substantial upturn - so at times like this I grin and bear it. Besides, I rarely get the chance to see what the market is up to during the day, so find it tricky to see the trends developing and nip in and out quickly.

If Javidshaik has called the market correctly, that will be a few grand in the bank and then another chance buy in again as RTD starts to break through new highs again. A strategy that you can't fault.

I think TA is of limited use at the current time, because we have recently seen some very abnormal price movements purely based on a stampede to buy in for the rumoured bid. The price has now dropped back to reflect the position it would have been at without the rumours and we can start to move forward again.

There are still plenty of buyers, however the MMs have been very quick to chalk the price down to gain a good stock of shares to sell when the climb up to the results starts.

Anyone who has bought into RTD on business potential will be well rewarded and shouldn't worry about short term movements. Anyone who bought in solely on bid rumours should have gone by now (though now they've had exposure to RTD, they could well be back when the price starts to rise day after day again).

Regarding sellers, it's worth remembering that we've only just come out of a mammoth bear market. So, who can fault anyone for wanting to make a short term gain to cover some of their losses from the time before April last year. Over time, these characters will disappear and long termers (including institutions)will be buying in with a long horizon.

What do you prefer: Sell now at 23p or sell in 2 years time at 1.50 ?

I know which one I prefer.

Fundamentalist - 04 Feb 2004 22:30 - 676 of 2406

Javid,

I feel nematode has a point to a degree though didn't phrase it particularly well. Looking at your posts of the last few weeks here are 3 quotes of yours:

post 617 "to the long term holders(like myself)"

post 578 "i think it is profit taking and short term investors"

post 518 "don't be scared to hold on for the good times - let your profits run"

In all these posts you portray yourself as a long term investor. Then today you make it clear that you are not actually a long term investor but someone who trades short term based on TA. Looking at that 2 week period and your comments it could be very easy for you to be termed a ramper who has been dishonest.

I'm with overgrowth and in this for a much longer period where the short term fluctuations are irrelevant, but your comments could very easily mislead an inexperienced short/medium term investor. The long term view imho is still very positive, as will hopefully be borne out by the results in March (this year and for several to come)

mitch101 - 04 Feb 2004 22:59 - 677 of 2406

this was stated in Internet Retailer 26.01.04..


Online sales growth exceeds 30% for 3rd straight week this year

Online retail sales grew 35% for the week ending Jan. 18 to $1.153 billion from $857 million a year ago, comScore Networks Inc. reports. Total retail sales for the week ending Jan. 17 were up 9.3%, reports ShopperTraks National Retail Sales Estimate.

The weeks online sales continue a string of three weeks of $1 billion in sales and year-over-year growth exceeding 30%.

Online travel sales for the week ending Jan. 18 were up 45% from a year ago, reaching $943 million from $649 million.

stay long (i said that)..

javidshaik - 05 Feb 2004 07:45 - 678 of 2406

fundamentalist - i know whatever my previous post may have said but i change according to my criteria and principles. if a share breaks my startegy rules then i act accordingly. i mentioned share has broken below support 22p and it is also now below my moving average. for that reason i have sold. it is as simple as that!
would i continue if this share took a dive heading toward 9p? no, my stop would close me out no matter how much of a long term holder i was. the support is very important to me and it has broken that rule. i am out, i wish all who hold good luck as i know this is a good company going places and will do well. i will be back in either when this share goes down to next support and stays above it or goes above recent high (23p) breaking resistance. until then, i shall use my money toward the futures market.

nematode - 05 Feb 2004 08:45 - 679 of 2406

What we are saying is then don't use this bb to advertise your intentions by claiming to be a philantrophist when all you are a 100% bonafide capitalist,in other words some of your previous messages were more like advise to the unsuspecting rather than the an outline of your own AGENDA.
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