Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

It just makes me sick this type of stuff . Giving in to these sorts .

A couple of comments from the article :-


There is nothing wrong with 'internationalism'. We have had it for years - people from other places coming to live and work here. It's nothing new.

What we cannot do and must not do in our country is dismantle our culture to please someone else's.

You name me one multi-culture country in the Middle East. They don't allow it.


.... which is why our political elites babble about "British values" but are completely incapable of discussing or defining them, because they are not specifically Christian, but they ARE specifically non-Muslim, as many Muslim states and cultures make perfectly clear.

- freedom of conscience, to follow any religion or none
- equality before the law, regardless of religious affiliation
- equality before the law, regardless of sex (note that as long ago as the Crusades, there are numerous references to Muslims being surprised by the latitude and freedoms enjoyed by Western women)
- secular democracy, in which the vote is exercised in confidence, at the polling booth
- freedom of marriage. Our marriage ceremonies are quite specific in their intent, that a person may only be married freely, in public and by their own actions, as a legally competent person or with the publicly given consent of their guardians (and that is rare), and that marriage is binding in law with obligations and privileges applying equally to both partners.
- simple Christian charity. I've seen the Salvation Army, and other charity groups out in all weathers handing out tea and soup to rough sleepers, running Christmas dinners for the old and isolated and the rest of it.
- the NHS, often described as "the nearest thing the English have to a religion". Orwell observed in the 30s that the British, and especially the English had a culture deeply tinged with the values of a faith whose formal observations they had largely abandoned. They have a deeply held notion of "fair play" which bears little relation to "fairness" as presented by the likes of Whimpering Nick Clegg, and a strong belief in communitarianism which bears no relation to "diversity and inclusion" because it relates to shared values. The NHS is intrinsically British.
- probity and responsibility in public life, another characteristic not noted among our political elites. The great purge of corruption in public life which characterised the Victorian age, the charitable foundations (notably the Quakers) and the rise of the concept of legal equality and democracy, in which Methodist orators played a crucial role

Dickens summed up the modern CofE, and the politically correct fellow travellers of the liberal left in the words of Mr Bumble the Beadle - that "the law is an ass for supposing such things, and the worst I would wish the law is that it's eyes be opened by experience"

Personally, I'd watch with amusement as cloistered fools like Rowan Williams and the Butler-Sloss woman enjoy daily life in a Muslim theocracy, but I don't intend them to drag me with them.

If people want faith schools then let them have them and they should be private only. All state funding and charitable status should be removed. It is not right that the state should support and legitimise the encouragement of teaching fiction. We would not give money to schools founded on principles of a flat earth or schools with a belief system based on Father Christmas studies. Religion is no better and is the cause of much harm in the world. Christianity is no better than any other religion and worse than some. Religion should be treated as a hobby and have no official status.

Hays,

I would ban all utterances from Cameron, Osborne, disciple Leyton Crosby of the tory party central office on the same basis.

Promising Xmas and failing.

Long may the utterances from Corbyn and his three quid disciples reign in charge of the Labour Party. Guaranteed to be cast out in the wilderness of unelectibility!! LOL!!!!

I bet Fred's with that Butler-Sloss woman , maybe he should move to one of the middle east countries and see how his Christmas goes.

BRUTAL dog fights with prize pots of up to £100,000 are drawing owners from across the world to Britain, according to a report by an animal welfare charity.

The practice is now so prevalent that a fight takes place every day. Losing dogs are electrocuted, drowned or shot.

Training methods include suspending dogs from ropes to increase their strength and boosting their aggression by encouraging them to kill cats, which may be stolen pets. Fights are advertised through social media.

Criminologists at Middlesex University interviewed participants for the report, which was commissioned by the League against Cruel Sports.

Traditional dog-fighting practices are being abandoned. Injured dogs are no longer scooped up by their owners during a fight but are allowed to carry on to the death. If they survive, they are usually denied medical treatment.
The report found an upsurge of fights in immigrant communities particularly Afghan and Pakistani ,where the activity has a high degree of tolerance ...

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The last paragraph says it all ,do we really need these people in Britain .

Oh Jimmy these people are our future how can you , people feel sorry for them and we must let them in .

Maybe dog fighting is in their culture so we need to be careful not to upset their human rights .
Support is rising for Marine La Pen in France.

CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW !!!!!

Too late I'm afraid , quite strange though people trying to stop Trump visiting the country , but let in any murderer , rapists , preacher of hate etc and they don't bother .

Dog baiting and fighting were common in England (London, Black country etc,) although banned in 1830s.

Frequently reported in the press up until 2000s.

The traits of the owners commonly seen.


A bit like the ENP and BNP and bomb Syria brigade?

But I agree some in England should have their borders closed and those within isolated and caged!

Allway's making excuses for other people sad .

Was that Fred ? I knew it ,i knew he would make an excuse for them ,i don't know what he said but he will defend anything ,one sicko .

Vic,

Here is a chance for you.

It's conclusion many actually please you!

But I guess you won't read it!

And probably JB without help won't understand the content!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/10/tories-deceitful-political-sorcery-eu-cameron-magician-labour-must-learn

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David Cameron’s EU negotiation is a sham. He knows it, and so do the ardent Tory proponents of Brexit. The prime minister understands that a considerable source of anti-EU hostility is motivated, above all else, by opposition to immigration. And so he conducts a charade, pledging to satisfy a lust to close British borders by compelling EU migrants to work in Britain for four years before they can receive in-work benefits.


He didn’t need Sir Stephen Nickell, a senior official at the Office for Budget Responsibility, to tell MPs that the impact of such a move would be “not much”. No impartial source has offered evidence suggesting that it would work, or that the vast majority of migrants are attracted by anything other than work and a fondness for Britain. This is politics as illusion, with Cameron as chief illusionist, and the magician George Osborne completing the circus troupe.

George Osborne is a magician – despite his record he’s seen as a success


Yes, the EU is examining a proposal for an “emergency brake” on migrants entering Britain under certain circumstances. But this is something for which Cameron reportedly has little passion, and he is redoubling his efforts to secure a four-year limit.

As one EU diplomat told the Financial Times: “The reason Cameron hasn’t gone for this must be that the problem that he has in Britain is mainly one of perception, not of real economic impact.” And that is what matters to an illusionist: how something is perceived, rather than how it actually is.

For the Tories, immigration works in their favour whatever happens – or at least until their opponents come up with a convincing message. They have set an arbitrary immigration limit that has been repeatedly – and devastatingly – missed. Its main achievement is to further undermine the public’s faith in politicians delivering what they promise. Nonetheless, if immigration remains high it means an issue on which the left is poorly trusted remains a political priority in the minds of millions. Sure, it risks boosting the currently flagging Ukip, but though Nigel Farage’s diminished purple army is an imprecise weapon it certainly inflicts significant damage on the Tories’ Labour opponents. If immigration decreases, then the Tories can claim success and warn that the opposition would reopen the gates.

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read on

He said that dog fighting was common in England and therefore what's your problem with Immigrants doing it now , basically . On that basis they used to Hang people in England in the past so why can't we hang people now I say . I'm sure there will be some response in favour of you know who .

Dear Fred it is my belief that they let in or are happy to let in any amount they like ( any party ) it boost's their figures whilst in power . This is what sickens me , it is MASS immigration too fast and any old body that wants to come here . We are storing up trouble for the future , and supposedly they are looking after us .

I suppose your right ,if dog fighting amongst the immigrant community is good for Fred then when they start stoning women in a hole in the ground or hanging people up in town squares it will be ok .
Just a thought but maybe he needs some psychiatric help.

Jimmy his mind is so set on opposing anything / body views that don't correspond with his . But he has a flaw , when Goldfish posted on here he was very anti immigrant , but oh no he was very with Goldfish just because he was LABOUR .

Vic,

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Not quite!

What I am getting at is the hypocrisy or bigotry of damming all, on the basis of a "small" minority showing a "deviant" behaviour to the majority and that some of those who damn others have the "same" behaviours in their own group.

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I suggest you look back at the barbarity and piracy carried out by in the colonies by the British in defence of the Realm.

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There are none so blind as those who don't want to see!

Mind it doesn't suit some to look at their own flaws.

Like you referring to the EDL and BNP suggesting they are all of the same ilk eh . Flawed mate .