Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Vic,

Here is a chance for you.

It's conclusion many actually please you!

But I guess you won't read it!

And probably JB without help won't understand the content!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/10/tories-deceitful-political-sorcery-eu-cameron-magician-labour-must-learn

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David Cameron’s EU negotiation is a sham. He knows it, and so do the ardent Tory proponents of Brexit. The prime minister understands that a considerable source of anti-EU hostility is motivated, above all else, by opposition to immigration. And so he conducts a charade, pledging to satisfy a lust to close British borders by compelling EU migrants to work in Britain for four years before they can receive in-work benefits.


He didn’t need Sir Stephen Nickell, a senior official at the Office for Budget Responsibility, to tell MPs that the impact of such a move would be “not much”. No impartial source has offered evidence suggesting that it would work, or that the vast majority of migrants are attracted by anything other than work and a fondness for Britain. This is politics as illusion, with Cameron as chief illusionist, and the magician George Osborne completing the circus troupe.

George Osborne is a magician – despite his record he’s seen as a success


Yes, the EU is examining a proposal for an “emergency brake” on migrants entering Britain under certain circumstances. But this is something for which Cameron reportedly has little passion, and he is redoubling his efforts to secure a four-year limit.

As one EU diplomat told the Financial Times: “The reason Cameron hasn’t gone for this must be that the problem that he has in Britain is mainly one of perception, not of real economic impact.” And that is what matters to an illusionist: how something is perceived, rather than how it actually is.

For the Tories, immigration works in their favour whatever happens – or at least until their opponents come up with a convincing message. They have set an arbitrary immigration limit that has been repeatedly – and devastatingly – missed. Its main achievement is to further undermine the public’s faith in politicians delivering what they promise. Nonetheless, if immigration remains high it means an issue on which the left is poorly trusted remains a political priority in the minds of millions. Sure, it risks boosting the currently flagging Ukip, but though Nigel Farage’s diminished purple army is an imprecise weapon it certainly inflicts significant damage on the Tories’ Labour opponents. If immigration decreases, then the Tories can claim success and warn that the opposition would reopen the gates.

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read on

He said that dog fighting was common in England and therefore what's your problem with Immigrants doing it now , basically . On that basis they used to Hang people in England in the past so why can't we hang people now I say . I'm sure there will be some response in favour of you know who .

Dear Fred it is my belief that they let in or are happy to let in any amount they like ( any party ) it boost's their figures whilst in power . This is what sickens me , it is MASS immigration too fast and any old body that wants to come here . We are storing up trouble for the future , and supposedly they are looking after us .

I suppose your right ,if dog fighting amongst the immigrant community is good for Fred then when they start stoning women in a hole in the ground or hanging people up in town squares it will be ok .
Just a thought but maybe he needs some psychiatric help.

Jimmy his mind is so set on opposing anything / body views that don't correspond with his . But he has a flaw , when Goldfish posted on here he was very anti immigrant , but oh no he was very with Goldfish just because he was LABOUR .

Vic,

post 66054

Not quite!

What I am getting at is the hypocrisy or bigotry of damming all, on the basis of a "small" minority showing a "deviant" behaviour to the majority and that some of those who damn others have the "same" behaviours in their own group.

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I suggest you look back at the barbarity and piracy carried out by in the colonies by the British in defence of the Realm.

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There are none so blind as those who don't want to see!

Mind it doesn't suit some to look at their own flaws.

Like you referring to the EDL and BNP suggesting they are all of the same ilk eh . Flawed mate .

Oh, it seemed to me that many of your views were similar.

That's his usual one VIC ,referring that you are an EDL supporter ,you havn't done bad he called me Hitler once !

Flawed .

Trouble is I think he lives for it jimmy .

Post 66061,

When?

I would like to read that remark again.

Vic, had better be careful with the company he keeps.

Michael Gove's prison reforms are risky
The Justice Secretary is in danger of undermining public confidence in the penal system

Telegraph.

You have to wonder if some Politicians really are on this planet.

Great idea, free the prisoners in inner city jails then convert the prisons into housing so that they can come back and burgle them. Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong! :0)

You mean some one who actually cares about his country and culture , as opposed to someone who quite honestly would let this Nation achieve Third World status just to satisfy someones tatty EGO .

Is Fred still bleating on ???

I read today that police in Preston have to ask Muslim community leaders for permission to go in to a part of the city to police the area ,, now i'm not sure i believe that i am hoping it's journalist clap trap because if it isn't we are already finished as a nation .

Didn't read it but Trump said British Police afraid of terrorists apparently , anyway think of Rotherham .

Post 66066, seems confused and based on false expectancies and associations.

Personally, I would prefer the Third World to raise their "statuses" and "expectancies".

Failing, in those countries which don't do so, probably, there will be an increase their populations' resentments and dissent with increasing the likelihood of "chaos" and "terrorism" as seen in the M.E and other parts of the World.

Pulling up the drawbridges around "little england" and trying to isolate it from Europe and other peoples' problems will not protect it.

It is based on short term greed.

“The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.”
MG

"It has always been a mystery to me how men can feel themselves honoured by the humiliation of their fellow beings."

MG

Why do you LIVE in little England then if you detest it so much why don't you feck orf somewhere else , please . Do you live anywhere near these future slums or you say all this stuff knowing your'e well away from it and comfy .

What has England done to deserve Fred, Birmingham especially. Go back to Wales if you no longer rate England. Don't worry Fred your annual reward 'Gobshite Of The Year (recurring)'has deservedly been won by a landslide. You must be so proud. LOL!!