Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Consider what I am doing is "missionary" work.

8-)

Ditto! knobhead.

It's quite simple to me , Foreign man come take white man women , money , soil , foreign man no like white man law , foreign man want own law , foreign man no like white man spit on white man , foreign man use white man law when suit , foreign man speak with forked tongue . Hows that then in plain little English .

I love little England just how you can go ten mile up the road and get a different dialect and character MAGIC . I must say I do appreciate a person of Indian extraction talking in a Yorkshire or Scottish accent . At least they have integrated .

Pretty good for you!

Now reverse the content!

Trust me this is Fred... Bleating miserable git .

MY arse .

JB and Vicky.

Probably, both have a greater resemblance to your mothers more than me.

Beginning to see where your problems in initiated from.

Mind, JB is showing signs of compulsive tendencies.

Must be having a bad day in the market.

Keep smiling.

8-)

OK . Keep hallucinating . Byee.

donald trump will be well integrated if he sticks his nose back in to scotland .... they'll make him into haggis ...... a visit to burnley might be more appropriate, as he'ld then be converted into black pudding

DT was not quoted verbatim, the media couldn't wait to report part of his speech, but forgot to add ''until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on''
The media does it's self no favours in their quest for FoS when they seek to sensationalise, knowing (as in this case) it would result in public outcry.
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Dahir and two other gang members preyed on the “frailty, vulnerability and isolation” of victims in their eighties to defraud them out of £600,000. Yet Corbyn wrote a letter to the judge asking for Dahir to be granted bail so he could spend Christmas at home, insisting his constituent wouldn’t abscond:

“He understands the need to be here. He has been here on every occasion.”

The judge ignored Jezza’s bizarre plea and the pensioner scamming b*stard will be behind bars on Christmas Day…

Manuel.

You have put me off black pudding!

Hays,

Can we see a copy of the letter?

A bit more information.

The Old Bailey today

Jeremy Corbyn's extraordinary plea to judge: 'Let Muslim fraudster who fleeced pensioners out of £600,000 spend Christmas at home - not in prison'

Fraudster was part of gang of three who targeted the elderly for cash
They told victims they could lose their money if they didn't move it
One of the gang handed letter from Corbyn to the judge in the case
Judge turned down Labour leader's pleas for conman to be given bail

Dahir's barrister Patrick Harte presented Corbyn's letter to the Old Bailey and said: 'He (Dahir) understands the need to be here. He has been here on every occasion.'

Dahir had been on bail throughout the trial following an earlier successful application involving the letter from Mr Corbyn, who has been Islington North MP since 1983.

But, this time, Judge Anuja Dhir QC was unimpressed and remanded him in custody, ruling that Dahir might not turn up for sentence because of his conviction.

It is understood Mr Corbyn wrote the letter after Dahir was charged with the offence in May. While Dahir was granted bail during the trial following Mr Corbyn's intervention, two others tried alongside him remained in custody.

The Old Bailey had heard how Dahir, along with Yasser Abukar, 23, Sakaria Aden, 21, convinced victims as old as 96 to transfer money out of their accounts by telling them they were about to lose it.

The trial heard how the victims, aged in their 70s, 80s and 90s and from Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Bedfordshire, London and Kent, were phoned up by men posing as police officers investigating a fraud at their bank.

The victims were advised to transfer money or hand over cash for 'safekeeping', when in reality they were being ripped off.

One of the gang posing as a fake police officer might say they had someone in custody who was caught attempting to use a cloned card in a high street store such as Argos.

Mr Dent told the jury: 'Can you imagine your alarm on receiving a phone call like that from somebody purporting to be a police officer, saying there is fraud going on in your bank account?

'If you can imagine the alarm you might have, then think about the amount of alarm and distress to somebody considerably older than yourselves, perhaps less robust.'

Another member of the gang who received money through the scam, Mohammed Sharif Abokar, 28, blew thousands of pounds at the Hippodrome Casino in central London.

Abukar, Aden, and Dahir were found guilty of converting criminal property, while Abokar was convicted of money laundering.

One victim of the gang, William Gooding, who is in his 70s, was conned out of £9,000 after receiving a phone call from a 'PC Hopkins' based in Hammersmith, west London.

He was told his grandson was in custody and was told to transfer another £9,000 into a different account but staff at his local branch in Barnstaple, Devon, became suspicious.

Another victim, Michael Garrett, 70, from Weymouth, Dorset, was conned out of £113,000 by a fraudster posing as 'DC Adams' from Hammersmith Police Station.

He was told that his life savings were at risk from an 'inside job' at the bank and instructed to transfer them into 11 separate accounts operated by the gang.

Another 'clever, but simple' trick would be to suggest the victims dial 999 or phone their bank to confirm the fraudsters' story.

When the victims, in their 70s, 80s and 90s, hung up their phones and dialled the crooks would remain on the line.

Aden, of Stoke Newington; Dahir, of Finsbury Park, north London, Abukar of Holloway, north London, had denied conspiracy to commit fraud between 1 May 2012 and 7 May 2015. All three will be sentenced in the New Year.

Another ringleader, 23-year-old Makhzumi Abukar, has already admitted his part in the scam after being caught red-handed with cash taken from one of the victims.

Ibrahim Farah, 23, of north London, was cleared of conspiracy to defraud.

Hays,

Is Cameron going to be a ducker on Heathrow?

Seems he did well in Poland.


He had an escort to the airport.

Cameron is competing for the leadership into the Wilderness!

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Mind he may find Zac with a sack of donations for him.

Is Cameron corrupt, or just pragmatic.

Answers on the back of a "fag" packet.

We now know what Cameron is.

Appoints a Heathrow enquiry and then ignores it findings because the timing is an embarrassment to him.

Is a ducker?

He seems to ooze failure.

Is he a political and moral catastrophe?


What a government.

This Xmas the NHS is safe his hands, but don't turn up in casuality.

Does socialism work? A classroom experiment
Most intelligent people realise that socialism could never work. Here is why, in the simplest fashion.


An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich; a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the third test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, all failed and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that.

There are five morals to this story:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

I’ll make one final point. There are five morals to the story, but there are dozens of nations giving us real-world examples every day.

Sort of makes you wonder why some people still believe this nonsense?

Daniel J. Mitchell is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute, the free-market, Washington D.C. think tank. His articles are cross-posted on his blog, by agreement

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French socialism scares investors, impoverishes people
As a new survey shows that US investors' confidence in France has plummeted we are again reminded that socialism is sure to make you poorer


Not content with effectively exiling the country's rich and famous (Gerard Depardieu's move to Belgium was reported last week) due to preposterously high rates of taxation, France's socialist government can now take pride in having well and truly put the frighteners on foreign investors too.

A survey of French branches of American companies by the American Chamber of Commerce in Paris in conjunction with Bain and Company shows that the country's attractiveness as a place to do business has more than halved since the socialist government of Francois Hollande was elected in May.

The numbers are dramatic. In 2011, 56 percent of US investors regarded France as an attractive place to do business. As reported by France 24 on Saturday, the same survey now shows that that figure has plunged to just 22 percent.

Since the US investors' response to such absurdities as the 75 percent tax rate on income over one million euros is likely to be replicated among other foreign investors, we may be about to witness a collapse in foreign direct investment in the country.

That will cost jobs, reduce potential tax revenues and ultimately harm consumer and business confidence domestically. Great job Francois! Exactly what the doctor ordered at a time of recession and economic uncertainty.

The great tragedy is that when one wages class war, it is usually the poorest people in society that end up getting hurt the most. Rich individuals can move elsewhere. Foreign investors can shift their gaze to other countries.

But people who work in grocery stores tend to stay put. And when the government adopts policies that are bound to harm the wider economy it is they that take the hit.

France has yet again provided us with a stark reminder that socialism is always sure to make you poor.

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The Appropriation of Liberality by the Left
The mainstream media would do well to reflect more accurately the realities of contemporary British and European politics. A good start would be the dismantling of socialism’s bogus claim to liberality.


In their profiles, Facebook users were once given the option of declaring their political views. It was the same with other social media and I was always struck by the frequency amongst my own 20s age group of announcements by people that they were either ‘liberal’ or ‘very liberal’.

The chances are, too, that a broader sweep up and down Britain today would return a survey of much the same substance. Young people of voting age are, it seems, generally rather liberal.

And why not be? Liberalism is an admirable political meme both in practice and aspiration, especially if taken at its most essential as a commitment to openness in ideas, speech and action, and assuming at least the possibility and desirability, if not inevitability, of progress.

Yet reduction to these simpler dimensions begs the question of why political comment in the Western mainstream media is imbued with the acceptance that liberality is the preserve of the Left – in other words, granting the Left a claim to these young voters.

Moreover, question many of these people more carefully about their views on the issues of the day and we find that, as often as not, they turn out to be either socialists masquerading as liberals or liberals planning to vote for illiberal parties. Either way, there is evidently widespread confusion about the ideological coinage of political parties and their contemporary practice.

In the Telegraph recently, Graeme Archer pointed out what many of us have wryly noticed for some time: that the Liberal Democrat Party is neither especially liberal nor even democratic. It was a point well made, but was essentially a restatement of the philosopher and economist, Friedrich Hayek’s, critique of socialism’s appropriation of the name liberal.

Writing in 1973, Hayek argued that no European party describing itself as liberal then had continued to adhere to the associated principles of liberalism’s emergence as a distinct political approach in the nineteenth century. In fact, most had quite clearly moved to socialist platforms in their policy making, where they remain today.

The problem with socialists holding themselves out as liberals is that socialist parties are notoriously illiberal.

To take the British example, there was nothing particularly liberal and much that was distinctly authoritarian in the previous Labour government’s curtailment of freedom of speech, bonanza of legislation that practically rendered irrelevant the general understanding that what the law does not prohibit it permits, and mildly tyrannical approach to power and control – the latter recently lambasted by Nick Clegg in his ‘backroom boys’ critique of Labour’s leadership.

Europe wide, it is the imposition of a very definite value set – no matter how vegetarian in character – by an elite minority that jars with the idea of the Left as liberal.

The shrinkage in acceptable latitude of opinion has become so acute that we might soberly draw a parallel with Orwell’s world of newspeak – again, at its most basic, the parsing down of language into antonymous blocs of black and white to denote right and wrong; good and bad, with all shades and nuances in between gradually expunged.

The language of anti-discrimination is suffused with this dichotomising to the detriment of all rational debate. Yet still the socialists peddling it cling to the mantle of liberalism, ably abetted by the mainstream media whose job it is supposed to be to generate that debate.

And there is a reverse side to this irony, because it is, in fact, the old conservative parties of Europe that are best practicing and advancing liberalism’s tenets today. Free markets, free thinking and free speech are at the heart of modern conservatism - evolutionary reform with a Burkean belief in the worth of tradition.

The situation in the US, as Hayek noted, is slightly different, because the US constitution itself is an inherently liberal document, designed as it was against the constraints in European political life.

There is therefore less of a need to explain why Americans conservatively loyal to the constitution might plausibly hold themselves out as liberals. And it is in this way that libertarianism is able to parade as essentially a purer form of conservatism.

Of course, in some ways the Conservative Party in Britain has simply done what all wily political contenders do and move to snatch some of its opponent’s more winnable ground. Such was the key to New Labour’s middle class-focused success in 1997 and even the West’s victory over communism when most of its members adopted limited welfare apparatus early in the Cold War.

Over a longer period, the Conservative Party caught the zeitgeist of modernity and began to eulogise openness and progress.

Yet we must not ignore the very real practical reasons that the Liberal Democrats were able in May 2010 to go into coalition with the Conservatives but not Labour. Although it was anathema to many of the Liberal Democrat Party’s most ardent followers, and cannot be understood by them except in the basest terms of power lust, the simple truth is that there was more common ground between blue and yellow than red and yellow.

The mainstream media would do well to reflect more accurately the realities of contemporary British and European politics and discern more carefully those shades of detail that distinguish our political tradition and influence voters.

A good start would be the dismantling of socialism’s bogus claim to liberality.

Richard Cashman is an Associate Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society and barrister of the Middle Temple, London

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