Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Perhaps some neos may understand the below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35110433





EU referendum: Major warns against 'flirting' with EU exit
14 minutes ago
From the section EU Referendum
Sir John MajorImage copyrightEPA
Sir John Major has warned David Cameron against "flirting" with leaving the EU "at a moment when the whole world is coming together".
The former prime minister said Thursday's EU reform talks should not be regarded as "high noon".
And they "should not decide whether or not we remain inside the European Union." he told Today.
Mr Cameron has refused to rule out campaigning for an EU exit if the EU does not agree to his reform demands.
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Sir John, whose seven years in Number 10 were dominated by internal Conservative Party rows over Britain's future in Europe, said he was not a "starry-eyed European" and he could understand "frustrations" with the EU, which were "entirely justified".
He also said he could not "get inside" David Cameron's mind - and was anxious not to become a "backseat driver" to the prime minister.
But he said "flirting with leaving at a time when the whole world is coming together is very dangerous and against our national interests".
He said that if the UK were to "break off" and head into "splendid isolation", at a time when the world was coming together, it would not be in the UK's long-term interests.
He said he could understand why Mr Cameron had decided to hold a referendum on remaining in the EU to end the "long-running and tiresome" row about the issue - but he predicted that the British people vote to stay in.

The modern neo-fascist tory party has more splits in it than labour.

Don't know which way they are facing or who is going to give them the next backhander.

U-turn, they turn, any turn, u-bend.

Good to have a firm leadership!

The modern neo-fascist tory party has more splits in it than labour.

Don't know which way they are facing or who is going to give them the next backhander.

U-turn, they turn, any turn, u-bend.

Good to have a firm leadership!

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Hazy,

Is it true that Cameron is trying to do a deal with Marine Le Pen and Farage over Europe?

Jimmy
There are lots of references to Corbyn taking IRA members into the House of Commons after the Brihton bombing all over the internet.

He also observed a minute’s silence in 1987 for eight IRA members killed by the SAS in an ambush.

Then he is a moron .

Did someone just blink, or is it just more of the usual old guff?



Europe must confront taboos over freedom of movement, Donald Tusk warns

Donald Tusk says 'the stakes are so high' as new poll finds that Britain will vote to leave the European Union if David Cameron fails to secure his reforms




By Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor

12:01AM GMT 16 Dec 2015



Europe must be prepared to confront "taboos" over freedom of movement to keep Britain in the EU because the "stakes are so high", the President of the European Council has said ahead of a key EU summit.


As David Cameron prepares to travel to Brussels on Thursday to discuss his renegotiation demands, Donald Tusk said that European leaders are "far from in agreement" with him.


The Prime Minister is facing significant opposition to his plans to strip EU migrants of in work benefits for four years, with suggestions that 25 of the 27 EU member states want to block the move.



More:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12052515/Europe-must-confront-taboos-over-freedom-of-movement-Donald-Tusk-warns.html

i wonder what donald trump has to say on the matter :-)

Strange but true .......
...... employment UP by 177,000, but unemployment also up by 3,900

Employment jumped 177,000 to 31.2 million.

Additionally, the number of people claiming unemployment related benefits increased by 3,900 in November from the prior month.

That's due to immigration ..

jimmy b here is the article, it's from Capital & Conflict a Moneyweek research publication.

What if the British people vote to ‘leave’ the European Union and the European Union (or the government) ignores them? A referendum, as far as I can tell, has no binding legal authority. It’s merely the will of the people. But in a parliamentary democracy, your MP’s vote counts more than yours (at least on this issue.)
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They are the ones working!

George that's very disturbing .

Ref my post 66215

It was the Treaty of Lisbon that the EU forced Ireland to vote again

Only one member state, Ireland, intended to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon through a referendum.
Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Since the vote by the Republic of Ireland on the Lisbon Treaty, the European Commission has stated that the Treaty would not force Ireland to change its view on issues such as having a permanent (as opposed to rotating) commissioner, military neutrality and abortion. The Irish voted again on the Lisbon Treaty on 2 October 2009. The vote was 67.1% in favour of the treaty.
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It is true. The legislation passed recently only enables a referendum. It cannot bind the Commons. It would be followed by a vote in the HoC if the referendum indicted the UK to leave the EU. However, if the house voted to ignore the referendum there would be chaos. Quite a few of the Conservative backbenchers would support a no confidence vote. In practice, it is inconceivable that the Commons would vote against exit. The same rule applies to the Scottish split.

The Lisbon Treaty was a con. We were supposed to have a vote on the Maastricht Treaty. Ireland voted against it and the UK and a couple of other countries looked like voting against it. The treaty was cancelled. It was redrafted as the Lisbon Treaty and was almost word for word the same as the Maastricht Treaty. Labour cancelled our vote on the treaty by saying that they had only promised a vote on the Maastricht Treaty and this one had a different name. Blair also gave away our veto on EU legislation at the same time.

Tilting at windmills....




EU referendum: David Cameron vows to get 'good deal for Britain' but Angela Merkel warns free movement and migrant benefits will not change - live

German Chancellor issues threat to David Cameron on the eve of his crunch talks with EU leaders as he seeks to curb in-work benefits for migrants - live coverage



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12052929/eu-referendum-brexit-fears-ahead-of-david-cameron-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live.html

Just shows what individual Governments are , that is a puppet to the ever increasing monolith that is the EU , I'm starting to feel trapped and unable to do anything about anything really . We still have these new joiners to come yet and their army of free riders , plus look after any home grown youth and their employment prospects .

We are in a state VIC , Britain is nearly finished ,i dread to think what it will look like in 20 years , no make that 10 years .

I wish someone would take that bitch out of the picture , I mean that most sincerely folks .

Instead of sourcing their young workers from migrants outside the EU block, why didn't Germany look to Spain and their vast resource of unemployed young workers?
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