Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Cobblers .

Post 6627
Fred-------Blair, Cameron, the Labour Party, so called celeb luvvies, land-owning financial beneficiaries of being in the EU as well as hardline Remoaners such as yourself Fred are really the ones who seem unable to see further than the end of their noses.

Anyone with half an eye could see that uncontrolled immigration would have a devastating effect on a variety of services. Did they not see that, or did they not really care because it wouldn't touch them.

It had to stop or Britain would surely become the banana republic you harp on about.

Stay in and try and reform it , are you having a laugh Fred ? What the bloody hell do you think we've been trying to do for the last 25 years ?

And a bloody waste of 25 years that was.

Mrs Merkel , here is your exit deal .. we are leaving and no longer going to be subject to anymore EU crap that we don't want and we are not paying a penny more to subsidise the rest of Europe.

Now if you want a trade deal we'll talk about it otherwise we might as well save ourselves another 2 years of subsidising you and leave next week.

Chow for now

Mrs T May on behalf of the UK

Banana republic, that is what May is suggesting for the UK.

Your health and welfare services would collapse without immigrants.

Also, await the clogging up of those services when the UK repatriate1.5million OAPs from the Costas.

Also, notice how many financial service companies, etc are moving offices etc. out of the country.

That's the spirit Fred , keep looking on the bright side.

Eastern European health and welfare workers could easily be replaced by English speaking workers from the commonwealth but ideally part of the EU subsidy we'll have to spend will go in training more home grown workers.

A deal for EU citizens already here will happen anyway.

As for banana republics , majority of the EU already are.

Banana republic, that is what May is suggesting for the UK.
Rubbish we will just drop corporation TAX and make The UK the cheapest place to do business. As Ireland did and watch the companies flood in as Ireland did

Your health and welfare services would collapse without immigrants.
If we need them they can come on our terms, not as a right

Also, await the clogging up of those services when the UK repatriate1.5million OAPs from the Costas.
Most of the ones I know come back when they need treatment already and if it is too cold here they can always apply to become Spanish and get their cold weather payments from the Spanish

Also, notice how many financial service companies, etc are moving offices etc. out of the country.
Rubbish. A few are setting up a local office just in case, the back end where the money is made will stay here. Have you ever been in Business or is your view of the world conditioned by what Jeremy says?

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6623 - sorry fred, but absolutely do not agree ...... one of the main reasons i voted "out" was because the plutocrats had no interest at all in changing anything and sadly, that would have remained so had the vote gone the other way ..... to my mind, that so much has already started to happen for the better is due to the reality check on waking up to the fact that uk was indeed walking away ...... if nothing had been done, the anti-brussels movement throughout europe would have grown apace

Like I said, you can take a horse to water

Martini and Dil

I wait and will see.

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals".

There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures.

Many "professionals" are migrating already.

Dropping taxes. A race to the bottom.

The EU will apply the same rules to migrants as the UK does, but the UK will be less attractive.


Check at the end of the month the number of companies booking out.

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Manuel.

How many and which EU rules and regulations do you object to and will be free of after Brexit.

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little fred talks utter rubbish..

Martini and Dil

I wait and will see.
So your guesing

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals".
What's your source for that staement

There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures.
So nothing to do with Brexit

Many "professionals" are migrating already.
What's your source for that staement

Dropping taxes. A race to the bottom.
No being competitive

The EU will apply the same rules to migrants as the UK does, but the UK will be less attractive.
What does that mean and whats your source

Check at the end of the month the number of companies booking out.
No you check and tell me what it is and your source

that there is already a lack of "health professionals" is nothing whatsoever to do with brexit

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals" is another load of rubbish ....... it is not even clear what you mean by "professionals", but if their companies and other interests are based in uk, then they'll stay
that property will be much cheaper in non-£ terms will also scarcely be a deterrent

Martini,

"There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures."
So nothing to do with Brexit

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Check the levels of nurses and doctors etc.

Many are going back to other EU or their own countries. Many deciding to go to other countries.

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Pull your own finger out and look for the sources yourself.

but that is pure rationalisation and nothing or at least very little to do with brexit

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Manuel.

Ask you daughters friends about how many are considering of moving abroad.

Check the difficulties the NHS is having to get replacement doctors.

Look at what the "government" is scrambling to do in Health and Welfare services for starters.

Etc..

PS look at "skilled" labour shortages.
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Try opening your eyes.

which bit do you choose not to understand?
actually, a couple of my d-in-l's doc friends are returning from oz, as they say it is nothing like as rosy as painted - perhaps more pay, but as always, there's never something for nothing

NHS recruitment crisis
69%
of UK trusts are actively recruiting abroad for doctors or nurses
23,443 nursing vacancies in England, Wales & Northern Ireland
9% vacancy rate for nurses
6,207 doctor vacancies
7% vacancy rate for doctors
Source: BBC Freedom of Information request
Science Photo Library
One solution to the staff shortage adopted by many trusts is employing doctors and nurses from overseas.
The BBC also asked trusts and health boards across the UK whether they were actively recruiting staff from abroad, and in this case Scottish hospitals were also able to answer.
The figures show more than two-thirds - 69% - of all NHS trusts and health boards are seeking staff overseas.
And in just England and Wales, the figure is nearly three-quarters of all trusts and health boards - 74%.
Some are traveling from as far afield as India and the Philippines.

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OLD Figures

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One of the reasons for not coming to UK, or leaving to go elsewhere, is expectancies of "Brexit".