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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 30 Mar 2017 18:06 - 6632 of 12628

Banana republic, that is what May is suggesting for the UK.

Your health and welfare services would collapse without immigrants.

Also, await the clogging up of those services when the UK repatriate1.5million OAPs from the Costas.

Also, notice how many financial service companies, etc are moving offices etc. out of the country.

Dil - 30 Mar 2017 18:30 - 6633 of 12628

That's the spirit Fred , keep looking on the bright side.

Eastern European health and welfare workers could easily be replaced by English speaking workers from the commonwealth but ideally part of the EU subsidy we'll have to spend will go in training more home grown workers.

A deal for EU citizens already here will happen anyway.

Dil - 30 Mar 2017 18:32 - 6634 of 12628

As for banana republics , majority of the EU already are.

Martini - 30 Mar 2017 18:39 - 6635 of 12628

Banana republic, that is what May is suggesting for the UK.
Rubbish we will just drop corporation TAX and make The UK the cheapest place to do business. As Ireland did and watch the companies flood in as Ireland did

Your health and welfare services would collapse without immigrants.
If we need them they can come on our terms, not as a right

Also, await the clogging up of those services when the UK repatriate1.5million OAPs from the Costas.
Most of the ones I know come back when they need treatment already and if it is too cold here they can always apply to become Spanish and get their cold weather payments from the Spanish

Also, notice how many financial service companies, etc are moving offices etc. out of the country.
Rubbish. A few are setting up a local office just in case, the back end where the money is made will stay here. Have you ever been in Business or is your view of the world conditioned by what Jeremy says?

Sigh

cynic - 30 Mar 2017 19:01 - 6636 of 12628

6623 - sorry fred, but absolutely do not agree ...... one of the main reasons i voted "out" was because the plutocrats had no interest at all in changing anything and sadly, that would have remained so had the vote gone the other way ..... to my mind, that so much has already started to happen for the better is due to the reality check on waking up to the fact that uk was indeed walking away ...... if nothing had been done, the anti-brussels movement throughout europe would have grown apace

2517GEORGE - 30 Mar 2017 19:37 - 6637 of 12628

Like I said, you can take a horse to water

Fred1new - 30 Mar 2017 19:51 - 6638 of 12628

Martini and Dil

I wait and will see.

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals".

There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures.

Many "professionals" are migrating already.

Dropping taxes. A race to the bottom.

The EU will apply the same rules to migrants as the UK does, but the UK will be less attractive.


Check at the end of the month the number of companies booking out.

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Manuel.

How many and which EU rules and regulations do you object to and will be free of after Brexit.

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grannyboy - 30 Mar 2017 20:24 - 6639 of 12628

little fred talks utter rubbish..

Martini - 30 Mar 2017 22:10 - 6640 of 12628

Martini and Dil

I wait and will see.
So your guesing

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals".
What's your source for that staement

There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures.
So nothing to do with Brexit

Many "professionals" are migrating already.
What's your source for that staement

Dropping taxes. A race to the bottom.
No being competitive

The EU will apply the same rules to migrants as the UK does, but the UK will be less attractive.
What does that mean and whats your source

Check at the end of the month the number of companies booking out.
No you check and tell me what it is and your source

cynic - 31 Mar 2017 04:48 - 6641 of 12628

that there is already a lack of "health professionals" is nothing whatsoever to do with brexit

The sterling devaluation has made the UK less attractive to "professionals" is another load of rubbish ....... it is not even clear what you mean by "professionals", but if their companies and other interests are based in uk, then they'll stay
that property will be much cheaper in non-£ terms will also scarcely be a deterrent

Fred1new - 31 Mar 2017 08:38 - 6642 of 12628

Martini,

"There is already a lack of "health professionals". Check the figures."
So nothing to do with Brexit

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Check the levels of nurses and doctors etc.

Many are going back to other EU or their own countries. Many deciding to go to other countries.

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Pull your own finger out and look for the sources yourself.


cynic - 31 Mar 2017 08:41 - 6643 of 12628

but that is pure rationalisation and nothing or at least very little to do with brexit

Fred1new - 31 Mar 2017 08:41 - 6644 of 12628

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Fred1new - 31 Mar 2017 08:41 - 6645 of 12628

Manuel.

Ask you daughters friends about how many are considering of moving abroad.

Check the difficulties the NHS is having to get replacement doctors.

Look at what the "government" is scrambling to do in Health and Welfare services for starters.

Etc..

PS look at "skilled" labour shortages.
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Try opening your eyes.

cynic - 31 Mar 2017 08:44 - 6646 of 12628

which bit do you choose not to understand?
actually, a couple of my d-in-l's doc friends are returning from oz, as they say it is nothing like as rosy as painted - perhaps more pay, but as always, there's never something for nothing

Fred1new - 31 Mar 2017 09:05 - 6647 of 12628



NHS recruitment crisis
69%
of UK trusts are actively recruiting abroad for doctors or nurses
23,443 nursing vacancies in England, Wales & Northern Ireland
9% vacancy rate for nurses
6,207 doctor vacancies
7% vacancy rate for doctors
Source: BBC Freedom of Information request
Science Photo Library
One solution to the staff shortage adopted by many trusts is employing doctors and nurses from overseas.
The BBC also asked trusts and health boards across the UK whether they were actively recruiting staff from abroad, and in this case Scottish hospitals were also able to answer.
The figures show more than two-thirds - 69% - of all NHS trusts and health boards are seeking staff overseas.
And in just England and Wales, the figure is nearly three-quarters of all trusts and health boards - 74%.
Some are traveling from as far afield as India and the Philippines.

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OLD Figures

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One of the reasons for not coming to UK, or leaving to go elsewhere, is expectancies of "Brexit".

VICTIM - 31 Mar 2017 09:21 - 6648 of 12628

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ AND SOME .BORE .

Fred1new - 31 Mar 2017 09:48 - 6649 of 12628

No longer dictatorship from Brussels.

Salute Mother Theresa and cohorts.

aldwickkk - 31 Mar 2017 11:23 - 6650 of 12628

Source: BBC Freedom of Information request , and when they get it they misrepresent it to suit their bias agenda.

cynic - 31 Mar 2017 11:28 - 6651 of 12628

6647 - total bullshit! ..... money is always the driver in these situations
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