Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

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Manuel.

Ask you daughters friends about how many are considering of moving abroad.

Check the difficulties the NHS is having to get replacement doctors.

Look at what the "government" is scrambling to do in Health and Welfare services for starters.

Etc..

PS look at "skilled" labour shortages.
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Try opening your eyes.

which bit do you choose not to understand?
actually, a couple of my d-in-l's doc friends are returning from oz, as they say it is nothing like as rosy as painted - perhaps more pay, but as always, there's never something for nothing

NHS recruitment crisis
69%
of UK trusts are actively recruiting abroad for doctors or nurses
23,443 nursing vacancies in England, Wales & Northern Ireland
9% vacancy rate for nurses
6,207 doctor vacancies
7% vacancy rate for doctors
Source: BBC Freedom of Information request
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One solution to the staff shortage adopted by many trusts is employing doctors and nurses from overseas.
The BBC also asked trusts and health boards across the UK whether they were actively recruiting staff from abroad, and in this case Scottish hospitals were also able to answer.
The figures show more than two-thirds - 69% - of all NHS trusts and health boards are seeking staff overseas.
And in just England and Wales, the figure is nearly three-quarters of all trusts and health boards - 74%.
Some are traveling from as far afield as India and the Philippines.

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OLD Figures

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One of the reasons for not coming to UK, or leaving to go elsewhere, is expectancies of "Brexit".

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No longer dictatorship from Brussels.

Salute Mother Theresa and cohorts.

Source: BBC Freedom of Information request , and when they get it they misrepresent it to suit their bias agenda.

6647 - total bullshit! ..... money is always the driver in these situations

I see the Gov has given a no to a new Scottish ref . thank heavens for that , how can you make any decision without knowing the outcome of leaving the EU , but I'm sure that Krankie will make trouble along the way .

One of the reasons for not coming to UK, or leaving to go elsewhere, is expectancies of "Brexit".

Note it does not say most people or many people it just says one of the reasons. That could be just one person. Great source that.

Manuel,

Your god in not a universal god, or goal.

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Martini,

Could me millions.

Ask your friends.

Go back to the number of Australian dentist coming to the UK in the 70s, and Doctors, dentists, allied professionals and University researchers going from the UK to the State, Australia etc.

If the UK is so unattractive to foreigners why have we got thousands upon thousands of them still moving here every month ?

The NHS has been under funded and mis managed for years and has sod all to do with Brexit. Most of the foreign workers in the NHS excluding cleaners and other low paid jobs are not even from the EU.

We're leaving the EU Fred whether you like it or not so get over it.

Fred
You seem to miss the point I am not the one quoting things as fact, you are.

If I understood your last sentence I might respond but again it sounds like a sweeping generalisation unsupported by fact.

Martini.

In your opinion.

This is a long article, but sums the positions on brexit up nicely.



Brexit Triggered…And Why Britain Should Succeed In The Negotiations



By Alasdair Macleod -

March 30, 2017



http://www.silver-phoenix500.com/article/brexit-triggered%E2%80%A6and-why-britain-should-succeed-negotiations

Fred
Now you are stating the blinding obvious. Of course what I think about your input is my opinion. Sigh

That site can be a bit iffy, if anyone has problems, I can post the whole article.

My recent 5 week experience of the NHS when a relative was in hospital for just over five weeks was 1 French nurse , 1 East European nurse , maybe half a dozen Asian nurses and the rest of the nursing staff dealing with my relative were from the UK.

The consultant was from the UK and the Registrar was of an Asian origin but could have been born in the UK.

Cleaning staff I encountered were overwhelmingly from Eastern Europe as were the two guys who brought the tea round.

Limited example but I'm sure the NHS will be no worse off after Brexit than it was before and there will be more money available to train our own home grown nurses and doctors.

I can see there being a a shortage of prostitutes and drug dealers though.

Dil
I had not considered that possibility! I am beginning to reconsider my support for Brexit.