Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

max - it was the following observation from the second of your articles above that i find so interesting ..... and similar would seem to have been the case in helsinki

Dozens of apparently coordinated sexual assaults against women took place on New Year's Eve in the western German city of Cologne

who is doing the orchestrating? ....... the motive can be readily guessed though not with 100% certainty

Lets not get bogged down with words ,would these Syrian men team up with Germans ? the answer is no , they would stick with their own .

I don't think you need right wingers to organise youths , who are basically as the age suggests will be looking for sex . It doesn't take much orchestrating really that's what youths do , they have nothing to do all day but conjure up this crime . Filth . You seem obsessed c .

no more than you, but i see it differently and i am usually among the first to scoff at conspiracy theories

I agree jimmy , c is barking up the wrong tree the are basically animals .

how can you be so certain that you are right and i am wrong?

don't white supremacists in USA and SA say the same about blacks? .... and no, i am not suggesting that you are white supremacists either

Ok a simple question cynic , who were the groups attacking women in several cities and countries on New Years Eve ????????

Victim and JB.

Are you judging others by your own standards?

Or perhaps, desires?

Just wondering!

that at least a large proportion were non-white is not denied, but you seem to say that they all ganged up spontaneously and it is that with which i disagree

perhaps you'ld be amazed how easy it is to manipulate people to act in ways that are outside their norm, especially if blame can be passed - eg i was only acting on orders

I'm not getting involved in a an argument let others decide what they think , especially with Father Fred adding his virtuos garbage .

V - i fight my own corner as necessary :-)
i am endeavouring to make my point(s) as dispassionately as possible and without inflammatory comment re other posters

How many innocent "witches" have been burnt?

It is interesting how of the far right have seized on the opportunities for quasi-political reasons.

Damn any other groups other than their own without looking at their own failings comes to mind.

Hostile to others while attenpting to excuse their own self-interested behaviours and actions.

I think it more reasonable to consider the "obsession and actions" of Hitler than Merkel's "said" actions when considering the actions of the far right in Germany and seemingly far right in this country.

I can't read Fred so his view doesn't matter to me ..

I don't get your logic cynic but as you often say we will agree to disagree no problem there.
Why wouldn't Syrian young men be in groups ? they obviously would stick with there own .
And as a last point i don't think that all the Syrians who came to Germany would act that way but obviously many did .

Can I put you through to someone who gives a dam what you think Freda! You plastic socialist.

LOL !!! is he at it again the useless lump of lard ,someone who would do nothing to help others just spout shite ..

Cynic, for some reason you are in denial It was very obvious to all, and particularly Hungary, that allowing hordes of predominately young and able men into the EU would lead to trouble. The behaviour of some at the borders was enough clue.

These people naturally gang together and the women in Cologne were easy targets for the animals among them. The women had every right to be there. It is their city and there are no no-go areas for them. Yet.

It doesn't take much for some to start harrassing women for others to join in. It is entertainment for them. I find the idea that you think these louts were somehow manipulated as laughable. They are the ones that have been manipulating the system.
As far Merkel being able to deport them, well let's see. I think it will snow in hell before we see the first planeload leaving. She had to say didn't she?

Bangs on about the woes of Capitalism, but can't get into IPO's quick enough. Remember RMG? HYPOCRITE :0)

A little thought I have now and again is the old Westerns you know 50s 60s where you have the pilgrims and bible bashers singing and praying there way along the frontiers and then the Outlaws come along , rape murder pilage and take out these people , just reminds me of future events . ( THIS thought is not bourne out of truth in any way it's just made up in my fecking head and bears no relation to true events at all . that's for you know who .)

Has Dave squared the circle?



Cameron closing in on 'four years' deal on in-work benefits to deter EU migrant workers

Outlines of EU deal emerging that will allow David Cameron to claim victory on his key pre-referendum demand to curb benefits for EU workers



By Peter Foster, Europe Editor

8:00PM GMT 07 Jan 2016



David Cameron is poised to do a deal with Europe that would strip away incentives for EU workers to come to Britain - a move that could hand him a big "win" ahead of next summer’s planned referendum on Britain’s EU membership, The Telegraph has learned.


The outlines of a deal acceptable to all sides have emerged following December’s European Council summit where Mr Cameron made an impassioned case for Britain’s need to curb the wave of migration that has hit the country since it opened its doors to new EU states in 2004.


Mr Cameron had demanded the right to make non-British EU workers wait four years before claiming in-work benefits, but was roundly rebuffed at the summit on the grounds that it would infringe the core EU principle of non-discrimination.


However the Telegraph understands that European states are now offering Mr Cameron a deal that would require new British workers aged 18-22 to wait four years for in-work benefits, while simultaneously finding a back-door "fix" to ensure those workers were not left out of pocket.


“It was clear from the December summit that discrimination was simply not possible, so this is the solution that a number of European countries have agreed is the only one that works,” a European diplomatic source with knowledge of the negotiations said.

The source added that following the summit the onus was placed on Britain to find a reform to the UK’s own benefits system that would enable the Treasury to make up the difference for British workers through a separate “social payment”.

The solution would satisfy EU legal concerns on discrimination and take advantage of recent European Court of Justice opinions accepting that EU migrants can be denied some kinds of non-contributory social security benefits.



'It’s in his party manifesto, it was in his letter to [Donald] Tusk, everyone understands Cameron needs a ‘win’ on benefits within the limits of the Treaties - which are broad'

EU source




More:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12087830/Cameron-closing-in-on-four-years-deal-on-in-work-benefits-to-deter-EU-migrant-workers.html