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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Fred1new - 28 Apr 2014 08:49 - 6688 of 6906

Manuel.

Stop whining on!

I know you are suffering from increasing memory loss, which is sometimes a convenience for you, but you can read back to what I have previously posted!

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But, as one vulture said to another at a road kill.

"What a mess"!

The other replied : "Yes, but it is a meal to me".

(Look at who is gaining from maintaining the present political situation between Israel and Palestine.)

cynic - 28 Apr 2014 10:13 - 6689 of 6906

quite so ...... there' an awful lot of outsiders who are only too happy to ensure that unrest in the region continues
nevertheless, the general public from both sides are apathetic at best about finding peace, so the bloodshed will continue
at least a plague on both houses would be non-discriminatory, and if sufficiently virulent, would be singularly effective

Fred1new - 28 Apr 2014 10:27 - 6690 of 6906

It would depend of the susceptibility and reasons for the susceptibilities of the groups concerned!

cynic - 28 Apr 2014 10:29 - 6691 of 6906

sewer-rat fleas are said to be excellent carriers of a myriad of truly nasty diseases

Haystack - 28 Apr 2014 10:31 - 6692 of 6906

Kerry is a bit late. It happened quite a time ago

https://news.yahoo.com/kerry-warns-israeli-apartheid-231200692--politics.html

If there’s no two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict soon, Israel risks becoming “an apartheid state,” Secretary of State John Kerry told a room of influential world leaders in a closed-door meeting Friday.

Senior American officials have rarely, if ever, used the term "apartheid" in reference to Israel, and President Obama has previously rejected the idea that the word should apply to Jewish State. Kerry's use of the loaded term is already rankling Jewish leaders in America—and almost certain to Israeli leaders abroad.

It wasn't the only controversial comment on the Middle East that Kerry made during his remarks to the Trilateral Commission, a recording of which was obtained by The Daily Beast. Kerry also repeated his warning that a failure of Middle East peace talks could lead to a resumption of Palestinian violence against Israeli citizens. He suggested that a change in either the Israeli or Palestinian leadership could make achieving a peace deal more feasible. He lashed out against Israeli settlement-building. And Kerry said that both Israeli and Palestinian leaders share the blame for the current impasse in the talks.

Kerry also said that at some point, he might unveil his own peace deal and tell both sides to “take it or leave it.”

“A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second class citizens—or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state,” Kerry told the group of senior officials and experts from the U.S., Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. “Once you put that frame in your mind, that reality, which is the bottom line, you understand how imperative it is to get to the two state solution, which both leaders, even yesterday, said they remain deeply committed to.”

According to the 1998 Rome Statute, the “crime of apartheid” is defined as “inhumane acts… committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.” The term is most often used in reference to the system of racial segregation and oppression that governed South Africa from 1948 until 1994.

Haystack - 28 Apr 2014 19:49 - 6693 of 6906

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/In-Israel-idea-of-annexing-parts-of-West-Bank-gains-steam-after-Hamas-Fatah-pact-350587

In Israel, idea of annexing parts of West Bank gains steam after Hamas-Fatah pact

Gilad Erdan became the highest-ranking member of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's ruling Likud faction to call for annexing Area C.

Haystack - 30 Apr 2014 19:22 - 6694 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.588272

Kerry was wrong: In Israel, there may never be apartheid. In the West Bank, it’s already here
By Peter Beinart

There’s an easy way to defend John Kerry’s recent claim that if Israel doesn’t achieve “a two-state solution,” it could become “an apartheid state.” Just note that several Israeli leaders and establishment American Jews have said the same thing. In 2010, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak declared, “if this bloc of millions of Palestinians [permanently] cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state” Tzipi Livni, Jeffrey Goldberg, and the late Edgar Bronfman have said all used the “A word” as well.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2014 21:03 - 6695 of 6906

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas swore in a unity government on Monday after overcoming a last-minute dispute with Hamas.
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REUTERS

Palestinian Prime Minister Hamdallah and Palestinian President Abbas pose for a group photo with Palestinian ministers during a swearing-in ceremony of the unity government, in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

Ministers in the new administration, whom Abbas has said would be politically unaffiliated, took the oath of office in a televised ceremony in Ramallah.

The swearing in of the unity government appeared to mark a significant step in repairing ties between the rival Palestinian factions which have been at odds since 2007 when Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2014 21:08 - 6696 of 6906

Netanyahu calls emergency cabinet meeting ahead of formal PA-Hamas announcement

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu called an emergency cabinet meeting Sunday night ahead of the Palestinian Authority-Hamas formal unity government declaration. The announcement is expected to come on Monday at 1 p.m.

During the cabinet meeting, the ministers agreed to completely halt negotiations with the Palestinian Authority as long as it remains united with terror organization Hamas and to lower the amount of money transferred to the PA.

Abbas promised Kerry that the new unity government would recognize Israel and renounce violence. Hamas has not made that pledge and is still committed to the destruction of the Jewish state.

Haystack - 27 Jun 2014 10:29 - 6697 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.601631

The Spanish and Italian governments issued a warning to their citizens on Friday against doing business with Israeli settlements in the West Bank, in East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights.

Haystack - 27 Jun 2014 17:31 - 6698 of 6906

EU envoy: European governments losing patience with Israel over settlements
By Barak Ravid

The EU envoy to Israel Lars Faaborg-Andersen said on Friday that the warnings issued by Spain, Italy and France against doing business with Israeli settlements in the West Bank, in East Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights point towards the fact that EU member states "are losing their patience with concerns not being treated" by Israel."

Fred1new - 01 Jul 2014 14:21 - 6699 of 6906

It is good to have GOD on your side.
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But as somebody E-mailed me once :

"as you sow, so will you reap"

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ahoj - 01 Jul 2014 15:29 - 6700 of 6906

We live in war era, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Algeria, Nigeria, Pakistan, you name it. Israel and Palestine conflict is probably the oldest and Ukraine is the newest one.

Unfortunately, the number has been rising much faster over the last decade.

Fred1new - 01 Jul 2014 16:04 - 6701 of 6906

It is the b. stupidity of it which dismays me.

Defence I respect, planned cold blooded murder is another matter.


Haystack - 04 Jul 2014 18:00 - 6702 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.601112

Israel does not want peace

Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

By Gideon Levy
Published 14:31 04.07.14

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides. It’s true that the routine greeting in Hebrew is Shalom (peace) – shalom when one leaves and shalom when one arrives. And, at the drop of a hat, almost every Israeli will say he wants peace, of course he does. But he’s not referring to the kind of peace that will bring about the justice without which there is no peace and there will be no peace. Israelis want peace, not justice, certainly not anything based on universal values. Thus, “Peace, peace, when there is no peace.” Not only is there no peace: In recent years, Israel has moved away from even the aspiration to make peace. It has despaired utterly of it. Peace has disappeared from the Israeli agenda, its place taken by the collective anxieties that are systematically implanted, and by personal, private matters that now take precedence over all else.

The Israeli longing for peace seemingly died about a decade ago, after the failure of the Camp David summit in 2000, the dissemination of the lie that there is no Palestinian partner for peace, and, of course, the horrific blood-soaked period of the second intifada. But the truth is that even before that, Israel never really wanted peace. Israel has never, not for a minute, treated the Palestinians as human beings with equal rights. It has never viewed their distress as understandable human and national distress.

Haystack - 06 Jul 2014 11:08 - 6703 of 6906

http://www.jpost.com/International/UKs-largest-union-backs-boycott-of-Israel-despite-Labors-calls-to-refrain-361617

UK’s largest union backs boycott of Israel despite Labor’s calls to refrain

LONDON – UNITE, Britain’s largest Trades Union – which last week confirmed it will be financially backing Labor Party leader Ed Miliband’s bid for the premiership next May – has defied his recent call to not support the Boycott, Sanctions, and Divestment campaign against Israel.

At their annual conference held in the south coast resort of Brighton last week, they voted to support two hostile- to-Israel resolutions, including one that actively supports the BDS policy promoted by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

The union, which claims a membership of around 1.3 million, overwhelmingly carried two pro-Palestinian resolutions, while clearly rejecting a pro-Israeli motion. The third motion, from the Bank of England branch, proposed greater co-operation between UNITE and the Histradut by way of constructive dialogue and support for the Israeli union movement.

The main pro-Palestinian resolution calls for raising awareness, building support, campaigning, and lobbying for “a free and independent Palestine” by highlighting the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel itself.

A key section of the resolution instructs the union to work with others to develop campaigning and a “leverage strategy” around the BDS movement, including tackling “complicit companies” involved in the “occupation,” the “apartheid wall,” and “illegal settlements” “through workforce pressure, contracts, and pension funds,” while encouraging members to call on supermarkets and retailers “to stop using companies that export goods from illegal settlements.”

The union is also urged to raise the issue and table motions “in support of BDS” in other trades union forums around the world.

However, this flies in the face of Miliband who, after his pre Passover visit to Israel, told Labor Friends of Israel’s annual lunch not three weeks ago that, as far as he is concerned, nothing but nothing should get in the way of peace.

And it was in that context that he added, “We are clear that the threat of boycotts of Israel is the wrong response.

We do and we will resolutely oppose the isolation of Israel. And my party does so.”

While it was not the first time he indicated his view, he had not said so as explicitly as on this occasion.

However, complicating the issue was the decision announced at the beginning of last week that UNITE was to give the opposition Labor Party a further £12 million of much needed funding in preparation for the May 2015 general election.

The ruling Conservative Party leadership rubbed their hands with glee as they pointed to the prospect of the left-leaning union’s boss Len McClusky having more influence over Labor Party policy because of the sponsorship. This is something that Miliband has been trying to deny and break away from since he won the election to become party leader in September 2010.

A senior Labor Party source told The Jerusalem Post Saturday night that Miliband is the party leader and what he says is party policy and nothing that UNITE discusses at its party conference will change that simple fact.

A Labor Party representative added: “Ed Miliband made both his and the Labor Party’s position on this clear at a recent Labor Friends of Israel event.

That was his firm position then, and remains his firm position now.”

Stan - 24 Jul 2014 07:47 - 6705 of 6906

Don't mention the war! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

cynic - 24 Jul 2014 08:36 - 6706 of 6906

an interesting comment from today's FT .....

Hamas finds Arab outrage diluted
A desensitised Arab public and the alignment of several anti-Islamist Arab states mean less pressure on Israel to halt its offensive in Gaza

Fred1new - 24 Jul 2014 08:53 - 6707 of 6906

I sometimes wish that there was a big green giant who could pick up both sides, shake them about a bit and put them in a sack with the promise they wouldn't be let out until the sorted themselves out.

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Another, thing they could do is shift the Israeli population to the Gaza strip and the population of Gaza to the Israeli "grab" land for 6 months and put the "leaders" or "villains" in a room and not let them out until the had negotiated a decent ongoing settlement.

After the negotiation was over, the populations other than than their leaders, could return to their own.
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