Sharesure
- 04 May 2005 17:10
Griffin Mining
GFM is now within 10 days of commencing production and as it has stock piled zinc ore during the mine construction period the company should be in a position to forecast with confidence that it will comfortably beat not only the brokers current forecast but also the later extrapolated projections prepared by me to reflect the prevailing higher zinc price. Those projections were for earnings of 3.33p this year and 12.1p for 2006.
The income will also facilitate a more extensive drilling and exploration programme, not just for more zinc, but also gold so there is scope for a steady and positive news flow after the 15 May production start date and the publication of their results around that time.
The shares have been overlooked by the market as the current price does not reflect the transition from pure exploration company to production/income producing status.
Andy
- 27 May 2005 08:43
- 67 of 144
Sharesure,
Well they are up 0.5p already today!
I was reading the 2004 annual report last night, and it does look good, I have to admit.

Sharesure
- 27 May 2005 10:39
- 68 of 144
Andy, If the hedge fund shake-out has now run its course that should enable GFM to steadily improve; it just doesn't look like this share is going to achieve its proper level overnight unless, of course, there is a bid; despite the rumours some time ago that doesn't look like its just round the corner, does it?
Are you going to the AGM on the 10th? I know some of the other shareholders who are going; this year should be better attended and hopefully the company will have some more to say about the increased production target and drilling programme.
nobull
- 27 May 2005 10:50
- 69 of 144
How is any exploration upside to be shared betweeen GFM and the Chinese Government?
The present value of the after tax profits stream depends on among other things the exchange rate. Can anyone enlighten me on these 2 matters? If the Chinese realign their ccy, would it not massively reduce GFM's profits? Thanks.
Sharesure
- 27 May 2005 12:26
- 70 of 144
nobull, The first 3 years proceeds are 100% to GFM; after that the Chiese kick in for 40%, so it really is an incentive for GFM to maximise revenue asap rather than slowly build up. As for how they deal with future finds, ie do they get a further 3 years at 100% on those finds, that is a question I want to get answered at the AGM.
As far as currency appreciation, if the yuan is revalued, 5%?, then that would lower the repatriated funds. As all their costs should be in local currency, and if they sell locally, which seems likely as China is a net importer of zinc, then it shouldn't affect the costs/revenues of the actual mine, in my opinion.
Interested if anyone has any different thoughts on this.
nobull
- 27 May 2005 17:21
- 71 of 144
Thanks sharesure for your answer. By exploration upside I meant anything that is as yet undiscovered. I see GFM has exploration licences that cover a bigger area than that for which they have a mining licence for. The best scenario from GFM's point of view is a finders keepers one (they keep everything they find in proportion to the shareholdings held by GFM and its local, Chinese partner in the joint venture subsidiary that owns the licences. The worst is GFM is paid a fixed salary or fixed rate of return regardless of what it finds. I am a bit wary about investing in this, although I sure would like to ask Mr. Ninkov a few Qs at the AGM. Would not the latter scenario be possible by setting adverse terms for the mining licence after all the exploration expenditure has been incurred? I have no view on whether the current share price at 29.5p or thereabouts adequately discounts the expected cash flows from the production figures they want to achieve as quickly as poss. (for the reason you outlined). I am interested in whether there really is substantial exploration upside in this stock or not. The geology sounds good, but China needs the money for its people too much to be giving it all away to GFM, does it not? I haven't a clue about the outlook for zinc other than it hasn't done much in sterling terms. The gains in $ on the LME zinc contract don't amount to much for UK based investors?
Sharesure
- 27 May 2005 18:39
- 72 of 144
Nobull, The question you raise is a good one; if you aren't able to get to the AGM on the 10th I'll ask it for you. Up 'til now Mladin Ninkov/Roger Goodwin have been good at getting the right terms for GFM. They have the incentive of some quite highly priced options to ensure they don't miss out on opportunities.
If you cannot wait til the 10th Roger Goodwin, FD, is usually forthcoming if you call him.
Sharesure
- 31 May 2005 08:38
- 74 of 144
Dynamite, Let's hope so. They deserve success. Just hope they don't encounter the attention of shorters trying to upset what should be a good run from now on. Are you going to the AGM on the 10th June?
Hectorp
- 31 May 2005 09:08
- 75 of 144
Excellent news, everything on track ( I think one week delay is assumed after todays RNS?
I follow the stock on ADVFN, this is quite a decent thread too and doesnt suffer from the spate of non-GFM related posts on ADVFN of recent times.
Hedge Funds - no way of knowing if GFM were affected by them. Whatever, I have been buying over the last few weeks. In the 2nd Quarter china's growth remains over 9% for the year. ZINC remains a growth story and reserves continue to reduce.
IF! the stock has been attacked by a hedge fund, I believe that recent run on AIM stocks has been completed. The FT last week also said as much and the Hedge Funds had found equilibrium. IF so, and IF GFM were affected, you are looking at a deppressed price for a solid stock. all IMO of course and PS I see absolutely no enidence of Simon K ( Evel K) shorting GFM, Sinon's way is usually to announce his presence so you'd probably know it. HE's never posted.
H.
Sharesure
- 31 May 2005 09:23
- 76 of 144
Hectorp,
That's reassuring re shorters; my concern was a repeat of last year's Frankfurt stock exchange debacle when the sp took a big hit. I would buy more in GFM but apart from being reasonably well represented in it I need to sell other things first.
GFM had confirmed to me there had been a one week delay for minor snagging issues; that is inevitable. What the company now seriously needs is a reliable broker update and, if possible, a few more new drilling successes; I guess the latter will come over the summer when they get the results from their newly acquired rigs which will be doing more work on the gold area + trying to establish with certainty the link between the various zones, partic. 2 & 3.
I am hoping that the AGM will be the time for a great deal more information on production targets + drilling programme.
Sharesure
- 31 May 2005 11:15
- 78 of 144
Dynamite, I'll post anything I find out which is new from the AGM.
Sharesure
- 01 Jun 2005 14:52
- 80 of 144
This is weird. Not one buy recorded on the trade record, all sells bar one not known; and the sp rises a fraction. What is happening?
Oakapples142
- 01 Jun 2005 15:38
- 81 of 144
Weird indeed Sharesure - Normally you would feel that the MMs are collecting but the spread is not large enough to put off ordinary buyers. Any educated views out there ?
stockbunny
- 01 Jun 2005 15:40
- 82 of 144
Absolutely none I'm afraid...
However, are these 'buys' and 'sells' being observed on stockwatch?
Only they don't always reflect, I've not long sold some RRS and it
was down as a 'buy'presumably as the bid was better at that time.
Oakapples142
- 01 Jun 2005 15:58
- 83 of 144
Just ticked down - probably my fault sorry - Jone will however, be a good month IMHO
Sharesure
- 01 Jun 2005 18:35
- 84 of 144
Would be interested to know why you did sell if you are prepared to say. You are among a great many others today; according to the ticker there was only one buyer which is a little surprising given the company's confirmation that production is underway. I'm concerned that I have missed something; on the basis someone always knows something more, in this case about 50 others if the Trades are correctly being reported!
Oakapples142
- 02 Jun 2005 07:39
- 85 of 144
Sharesure
- 02 Jun 2005 08:36
- 86 of 144
Oakapples, whatever you were going to post didn't get there.