Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i thought that info was in the public domain

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anyway, in this instance, it's not the facts that matter so much as the perception

Not yet it isn't cynic, various MP's (vote leave camp) are requesting they be released.
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there'll then be lots of "ah buts"!
for example, how many are temporary or eu citizens or how long have they been resident etc etc
surprise surprise, we'll never get a straight and specific answer from either camp

then of course you have the "in work benefit" element, where people qualify for some sort of supplement because, though they are working, they earn insufficient

it's never ever straightforward, and in some ways, for legit reasons

Governments' don't do straightforward or the truth.
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ah but what is the truth :-)

in this instance, it is genuinely very complex ..... but that of course suits whichever party/cause is trying to spin/manipulate the numbers to fit their specific agenda ........ fred does it the whole time!

There has been an interesting study in Germany that has found 65% of the recent immigrants are functionally illiterate with almost no prospect of getting a job.

Corby must be doing something right!


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/13/revealed-how-jeremy-corbyn-has-reshaped-the-labour-party

Do you have a link for that German story Haystack?

hmm ..... but many from places like syria will be very well educated
mind you, much of the uk indigenous population is also "functionally illiterate"

A lot of the immigrants have come from impoverished areas. Functionally illiterate may mean no German spoken, none written or read. Not much chance of a job with no language skills at all. I could easily imagine that 65% could fit that description.

your right ... it depends what it actually means and who is interpreting it

Watch this magic !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeFfiYgcro

Samaritan raises £600 for homeless couple to spend Christmas in a hotel:

Lucky homeless couple enjoy Christmas for free

Comments invited.

£600 quid for a couple of days at an Ibis? lol, somebody got seen coming.

As for the other two, what did she expect, thanks?

Look at them, really look at them...open those rose tints..wide!

Never Give a Sucker an Even Break


W C Fields

That link froze my pc , also a lot of links to other sites on AOL home page does the same

Robert Procter, a science historian from Stanford University came up with the term Agnotology after studying the tobacco industry and the deliberate propogation of ignorance.
Agnotology is the study of wilful acts to spread confusion and deceit, usually to sell a product or win favour.
Skip forward a decade or so and you have the Blair/Brown deceit in trying to sell multi-culturism as a great thing and anyone that opposed it was a bigot. In fact the aim was to change the voting demographics so that Liebor maintained itself in power. Well that turned and bit their fat arses. Never mind, Blair and Brown are doing very well nevertheless.
Skip forward another decade or so and you have the great migration deceit. Oblivious to the fact that we can all see with our own eyes that the vast majority of the migrants are young able males, we are fed tragic pictures of drowned babies in order to make us all feel bad and ignore the bigger issue of the clear social and security problems ahead. The current harrassment of women in Sweden, Germany and Denmark gradually coming to light are just indicative of a much deeper problem. So who is actually trying to gain from the current propogation of ignorance?

IT - you always write interestingly, and like me you often have something of a cynical eye
in respect of the migrant issue, it is certainly very serious an it will not just go away or be a short-lived phenomenon and assuredly needs to be kept in the public eye

fred's cloud-cuckoo-land has a utopian answer for everything including this

living in the real world, and hard though it is when dealing with real people (my son returned from lesbos deeply unsettled) as opposed to numbers, each country has to make its own decisions as to what to do, and ultimately accept the consequences, whether good or bad

i won't repeat my own views as they have been posted often enough

Cops in Sweden admitted yesterday to hushing up migrant gangs sexual attacks on girls as young as 11 over fears they would spark far right attacks on migrants.

So it is not just in the UK that the authorities are playing down these attacks. Is there no one in authority anywhere who has an ounce of decency to say enough is enough?
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my cynical self always asks if this is a balanced report

and i ask you what you would do next and why, whatever it is, you think it would solve the problem as you see it?