Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

What, exactly would be lost if blighty left?

i suspect a lot especially when it comes to trade

as i understand it, even the norwegians certainly do not have complete freedom in many fields - eg requirements/standards to be met when dealing with eu countries

if it was all as simple as you and a few others wish to paint, then debate would be pretty much superfluous
if you are fixed in your opinion and outlook, then that is also so

for myself, i shall try to listen and work out what is spin and/or disinformation, and what is at least close to facts and truth

On the subject of Europe I share the view of my right "horrible" friend -):

i.e I want to see it laid out on paper.. the pros and cons and only then will I make a decision.

At the moment the polls are pretty useless. Some days they show it even and others one ahead. The electorate are polarised for few good reasons. Hopefully the coming months will produce sensible arguments but it may be a shouting match. The group that will win is the one that offers the safest choice.

The pro EU group will major on fear of leaving and new safeguards over sovereignty. The leave group will make claims about how good it will be outside. The reality is that both sides will lie through their teeth. We have no real idea what life outside will be like irrespective of what is said. We also don't know if the EU will stick to any deals.

The most alarming thing about the EU is how unstable it is and the trend towards federalism. To get more stability it needs central compulsory policies over all the economies. The ECB must become all powerful. Individual sovereignty must be crushed.

Ze endgültige lösung!

Who told you that H/S?

Which part?

Con Central office no doubt.


The real sticking point is that the whole of €uropa will end up being ruled by Goldman Sachs and it's placemen.

Haystack summed it up in his last sentence:

Individual sovereignty must be crushed

No thanks!

The EU got the Euro badly wrong. The correct sequence should have been closer political union first. Only later should closer economic have appeared with the Euro. Greece is the perfect case. The EU was unable to dictate Greece's policies which were out of control. The Euro should have occurred when there was central control.

Re 67597. All of it.

How do you have central control?

Who would be appointed as the fat controller??

Why would any politician want to hand over control of his/her country to someone else???

That is the United States of Europe. There are plenty of EU countries wanting it,

Let them have it, with all snags that come with it.

America made it because it was effectively brand new, no traditions at all. (Leave out the revolution)

€uropa is made up of established countries, most with their own traditions and mores, a very different proposition.


And in the end, blighty simply doesent need €urope, trade aside, what is in it for them?

will be in marbella from the 17 april any one their for two weeks

Projekt fear moves up a gear..


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12145781/David-Cameron-warns-of-migrant-camps-in-southern-England-if-Brexit-vote.html

That's really below the belt ! come on Dave you really are trying to scare monger now , it's up to you the British Gov to make sure that these people don't get in .
What you are saying is if you don't vote my way our borders are open to anyone ,if that's the case stand down and let someone else do the job ,your sacked !

David Cameron has just become the best advert for leaving the EU says LEO MCKINSTRY

THE pathetic feebleness of David Cameron’s draft agreement with Brussels has shattered the complacency of the pro-EU brigade.



By Leo McKinstry

PUBLISHED: 21:39, Sun, Feb 7, 2016 | UPDATED: 08:18, Mon, Feb 8, 2016


http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/641952/Cameron-becomes-best-advert-leaving-EU-Leo-McKinstry

For the muppets!

US multinationals such as Google, Facebook and Amazon will be forced to publicly disclose their earnings and tax bills in Europe, under legislation being drafted by the EU executive. The European commission is to table legislation in early April aimed at making the world's largest multinational corporations open their tax arrangements with EU governments to full public scrutiny. - Guardian.

Well that might be one tick for staying in.