Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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farage is in the lucky(?) position of being neither an mp himself nor having even a handful of followers in westminster
thus, he can stand on his soapbox and spout whatever he fancies - some of it not entirely loony - without fear of repercussion

The intention is to make Turkey more European by joining the EU, although I think it is misguided.

Farage is an MEP so he has seen the asylum from the inside. Refreshingly, he is not swayed by the gravy train boarded by the likes of the Kinnocks and as for Westminster that is hardly representative of the nation. As I remember, Ukip with one MP had almost 3 times the vote of the SNP with 56.
Fortunately MPs will only have one vote in the referendum, like the rest of us.

i fully concur that there is much rotten within the whole eu system, starting with a parliament that pays itself whatever it likes, spends money as if it were bolivars and does nothing (as far as i can see) to stem the huge areas of corruption and profligacy within the system

however, is that in itself sufficient reason to walk out?

i don't know and waver like a flag in a light summer breeze

'Migrants are pushing NHS to breaking point':

Top cancer doctor warns health tourists are bleeding hospitals dry with demand for treatment

Professor Angus Dalgleish is preparing speech speaking out against EU

Says British hospitals are struggling to cope with demand from refugees

Will insist this considerable expense partly explains NHS's £3billion deficit



By James Slack, Political Editor For The Daily Mail

Published: 23:54, 8 February 2016 | Updated: 00:43, 9 February 2016




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438040/Top-cancer-doctor-warns-health-tourist-migrants-bleeding-hospitals-dry-demand-treatment-leaving-NHS-breaking-point.html

I was astonished to hear Cameron saying that without the French all the migrants will be in southern England. Whatever happened to the Churchillian spirit? Are we afraid or too weak to protect our borders?
As Eric Hoffer said "you can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you". Cameron has started the propaganda war while his cabinet is gagged. But by saying he can't protect our borders he is showing that he is not fit to be PM.

That's what i said yesterday iturama , i think he made a huge mistake in saying that.

He is getting blasted from all sides now for scaremongering ..

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/is-it-really-wise-for-david-cameron-to-threaten-us-with-migrants/

I think the Spectator article just about sums it up.

Cameron may be right. If we are outside the EU then the French may cancel the agreement between us and them over the border. Under that agreement, they stop people in France without the necessary papers. Without the agreement they can let everyone on ferries and through the tunnel. We would have to process everyone on the UK side. The immigrants would all claim asylumn as they arrived and we would be stuck with them.

How would they let everyone on to the Ferries Hays ? would P&O just set sail when a 1000 migrants have stormed the boat ?

If blighty was outside the €U, then it could turn off the benefits tap to all and sundry.

However do we control air passengers to the UK? Fine the ferry companies 50K for everyone that lands illegally and then send them back on the same boat. That's what sovereignty is all about. They are not asylum seekers if they land from France.
The problem is not the ferries. The bigger problem is road transport. But the government will need to get tough. You land illegally, you go back the same day you are caught. No reviews in the UK. That's what happens at Heathrow.

UKIP’s leader Nigel Farage told Breitbart London this morning: “This is a desperate attempt from David Cameron to distract people from his pathetic, bungled EU deal. Le Touquet treaty is a bilateral deal, nothing to do with the EU and of course international co-operation would continue once we leave the EU.”

Critics have also called Mr. Cameron’s claims “scaremongering” though some might think they are actually more risible than to be taken seriously.

Britain and France are separated by, at its shortest, 20 miles of water. The idea that migrants would make it across into Britain, either via ferry, automobile, or train, would effectively mean that Britain’s border control had given up vetting those leaving France for Europe – the equivalent of someone boarding a plane to the United States without a ticket, a visa, or a passport.

Furthermore, if Britain were to leave the European Union, France would be bound by the Dublin Regulation which prioritises the responsibility for asylum applications on the European country of entry.

Dublin II makes it clear: “only one Member State is responsible for examining an asylum application” and with Britain out of the European Union, it would not have to answer to rulings made by the European Court of Human Rights, nor would it necessarily, as a non-member state, have to honour Dublin at all. France however, would still have to implement the deal.

The legislation states: “Where the asylum seeker has irregularly crossed the border into a Member State, that Member State will be responsible for examining the asylum application. This responsibility ceases 12 months after the date on which the border has been illegally crossed.

“When the asylum seeker has been living for a continuous period of at least five months in a Member State before lodging his/her asylum application, that Member State becomes responsible for examining the application. Where the applicant has been living for a period of time of at least five months in several Member States, the Member State where he/she lived most recently shall be responsible for examining the application.”

Mr. Cameron’s threats, especially to the British border town of Folkestone, are unlikely to be well received.

Now France comes out and says it has no intention of changing the border deal, even should the UK decide to exit. Maybe Cameron should have checked first.
What it does show is his desperation to stay in. How can he negotiate hard if he has already shown his hand? The UK public opinion polls will have more impact on the EU than Cameron. They are truly terrified that it will be the start of other nations demanding out also.
A eurosceptic should be doing the negotiation, not Cameron, because the EU idea is a good concept gone horribly wrong and fundamental change would be for good of all, minus the faceless technocrats.

Oh dear Merkel.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/09/german-police-search-two-houses-in-anti-islamic-state-raids-following-television-tip-off/

For the Muppets!

so how are you going to VOTE fred? ..... or will you disdain from so doing lest you get your hands remotely dirty as you climb off your soapbox?

Manuel,

Read back and you may find the answer to your question!


PS, but I am not an egocentric, narcissistic little Englander like some!