goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 16:10
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cynic
- 09 Feb 2016 16:14
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the eu discussion really ought to be primarily about economics and reforming eu interference and procedure in all its guises, and finally immigration
unfortunately, joe bloggs and his cousins are totally fixated on the immigration issue, their opinions all too often being formed of prejudice and perception rather than actuality
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 16:19
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I have to say your right it should be about all that you mention but "finally immigration" i have to disagree there ,we are being swamped with half a million people per year and it is a massive crisis.
Just look at the towns in Lincolnshire Boston etc .
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 16:25
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Haystack
- 09 Feb 2016 16:29
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I read an article the other day about how the Scots might tip the balance towards leaving the EU. It is well known that the SNP have been saying that they will only accept the referendum vote to leave if all four parts of the UK vote out. An overall vote to leave would produce a new Scottish leave the UK referendum.
That being the case, there could be campaigning by the Scots to leave the EU hoping for an overall leave result.
cynic
- 09 Feb 2016 16:46
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jimmy - like most of the hoi polloi (sorry old chap!) you do not seem to differentiate between economic migrants with no skills, genuine war refugees like the syrians, and migrants who are or would be of immediate benefit to the country like nurses and many others
i certainly like the principle of the oz points system, and we have a very strong moral obligation to take in a good number of war refugees (even if we were reluctant to do so 75 years ago, as surprisingly was switzerland), many of whom will of course be well educated
however, i would certainly back legislation that imposed restrictions on benefits for migrants (yes it may be technically unfair) and certainly on the apparent ability to bring in extended family
i would also like to see legislation that made deportation very much easier
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 16:56
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You can call me what you like ,i personally don't like to see British market towns become 30% Lithuanian ,simple as that and if that makes me a non European who doesn't want to join in the experiment of opening up our towns to millions of East Europeans then yes that's me .
Maybe you don't know any young people who now have a real problem finding work and when they do it's zero hours contracts, and when you talk about nurses i am well aware my sister has a job very high up in the NHS ,she employs a lot of professional staff and tells me that we couldn't survive without them , which is also a shame that many of our youngsters don't see nursing as a career .
I suppose i really don't like the Britain of the 2000's and for that i won't apologise.
cynic
- 09 Feb 2016 17:17
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tell me, when does a migrant become british in your eyes?
have the asian and chinese communities (for example) added to the country's wealth both economically and culturally?
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 17:27
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Yes they have ,the Indians who came over in 60's / 70's have added to the UK but they were not coming in numbers as they are today.
They didn't take over towns and they didn't arrive half a million year in year out ,you know that is not sustainable .
I actually like a lot of the Indian community and before Fred and Stan turn up to call me a racist most of my early life has been spent with foreign people from all over (i'm not going to get in to why but it has)
cynic
- 09 Feb 2016 17:35
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hmm .... you may care to look at places like bradford, and i'm sure most of them are not recent arrivals
but yes, i certainly agree that the current levels of immigration are putting far too great a strain on resources and strong measures are required even if implementing them would assuredly be very much more difficult than imagined
even if we left eu tomorrow, i am not entirely sure how much we could control eurozone migration if we are to maintain one of uk's main markets ...... norway might give a clue, though in economic terms, it's a real minnow and much smaller still if you remove their oil income
Stan
- 09 Feb 2016 18:06
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Poor old James probably lives near the Folkestone/Dover area, which is why it makes him seem so accusing and angry going by his posts over the last year or so on this thread.
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 18:11
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You have no opinion and nothing to say Fred so why bother .
Stan
- 09 Feb 2016 18:16
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Ah so you do then that would explain it.
jimmy b
- 09 Feb 2016 18:24
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I don't live anywhere near the slum that is Folkstone and quite a lot of the time i don't even live in the UK .
Now why don't you disappear up your own arse like you did for a couple of weeks when you only posted as Stan .
Fred1new
- 09 Feb 2016 18:47
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And you think EU has problems!
North Korea 'expands plutonium production', says US
1 hour ago
From the section Asia
Media captionHas North Korea got the bomb?
North Korea could soon have enough plutonium for nuclear weapons after restarting one of its reactors, US intelligence chief James Clapper says.
He also said Pyongyang had taken steps towards making an intercontinental ballistic missile system.
It comes days after the North launched a long-range rocket, which critics say is a test of banned missile technology.
Last September Pyongyang said its main nuclear facility at Yongbyon had resumed normal operations.
The reactor there has been the source of plutonium for its nuclear weapons programme. The North carried out its fourth nuclear test in January.
North Korea's nuclear tests
How advanced is North Korea's nuclear programme?
"We assess that North Korea has followed through on its announcement by expanding its Yongbyon enrichment facility and restarting the plutonium production reactor," Mr Clapper wrote in his annual assessment of threats facing the US.
"We further assess that North Korea has been operating the reactor long enough so that it could begin to recover plutonium from the reactor's spent fuel within a matter of weeks to months."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35534995
Haystack
- 09 Feb 2016 18:47
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There are plenty of areas which are mainly Asian such as Bradford, Southall, East Ham, Tower Hamlets, parts of Birmingham etc. We have areas which were mainly AfroCaribbean such as Brixton, Nothing Hill. The East End was largely Jewish around Brick Lane area about 100 years ago. Stamford Hill and Golders Green are still mainly Jewish. Kilburn and Archway are mainly Irish. Parts of North London are mainly Greek and Turkish Cypriot. There is a huge population of Italians in Luton who worked in the brick works and in Scotland involved in ice cream as well. We are living in a multicultural world. The UK has lower immigration than many other EU countries. We take very few asylum seekers even compared to even Sweden. We have very few of the problems that other countries experience related to immigration. The current fear of immigration is the result of politicians such as Farage harping on about it.
Fred1new
- 09 Feb 2016 18:49
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JB.
Which part of the world is unfortunate enough to have your company when you are not in the UK.
It must consider itself very lucky!
Stan
- 09 Feb 2016 18:56
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Arrogant, aggressive, angry, insulting and now delusional as well, boy you need help Jimmy.
Fred1new
- 09 Feb 2016 19:11
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Mind this is interesting!
MONDAY 08 FEBRUARY 2016 UK
Conservatives appear to have overspent on three by-elections
Channel 4 News has obtained evidence of tens of thousands of pounds of spending by the Conservatives during key by-election campaigns which appear not to have been declared.
interesting to see if Farage challenges the election result!
Chris Carson
- 09 Feb 2016 19:22
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Trident renewal: Labour MPs tear into Jeremy Corbyn's defence tsar Emily Thornberry as being in 'La La Land'
Emily Thornberry, shadow defence secretary, openly heckled by Labour MPs following suggestion that nuclear deterrent could be updated, not replaced
By Kate McCann, and Michael Wilkinson
3:49PM GMT 09 Feb 2016
Labour MPs have descended into a bitter row over Trident renewal, with one describing Jeremy Corbyn's shadow defence secretary Emily Thornberry as being in "La La Land".
Ms Thornberry, who is herself opposing to the renewal of the nuclear deterrent, presented her review of the party's policy to fellow MPs on Monday night.
The rowdy meeting of the parliamentary Labour party saw Ms Thornberry "heckled" by her colleagues for suggesting Labour should "consider all options" on Trident.
In the face of hostile questions from MPs and peers, she was forced to tell them there was "no point trying to shout me down".
John Hutton, the former defence secretary, today accused Ms Thornberry of being a "mouthpiece" for the anti-Trident lobby, adding that her "tired old science fiction" had been debunked by experts. He warned that Labour must back Trident if it wanted to "retain any credibility on defence whatsoever".