President Obama says its great news for peace and democracy.

Well interesting to see an ex-policeman who appeared to advocate torture, is now advocating murder.

I do hope he volunteers to rejoin the police force as a special constable to bolster up Cameron failing society.

They will need trigger happy individuals with experience to keep or streets safe.

Reminds me of the Birmingham six, who the lynch mob with members holding similar views to many of those on this thread, wanted to hang without trial.

So much for respect of international law, but do not be surprised when others disregard the law and seek to justify their actions.

But remember what you previously advocated.

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As far as Rowan Williams is concerned, although I am atheist, I don't think Haystacks, cynic or aids are fit to lick his boots, morally or intellectually.

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thank you for your kind and generous thoughts .... i'm deeply hurt actually, having a strong boot fetish, though arses sometimes provide an enjoyable alternative

am i mistaken, but have you actually said how YOU would have handled the situation had YOU been a soldier in the action? ...... had YOU been obama, would YOU have given strong and unequivocal instruction that BL not be harmed unless absolutely unavoidable? ...... i'ld bet not, as while you're great on the criticisms, you're not too hot in standing up and giving your own solutions

I think I will leave you to your own arse licking. It would seem more than appropriate for you.

methinks a raw nerve has been exposed - and jiggled with a cattle prod perhaps

Has if anybody on this thread or any other thread that you have started just so that your pathetic warped mind can get pleasure from winding posters up , care what you think.

Need I say this post was a reply to Fred's post not Cynic's

thanks aldo, for on initial reading i thought the barb was aimed at me!

"cynic [Send an email to cynic] [View cynic's profile] - 05 May 2011 7:57 - 69 of 73

"thank you for your kind and generous thoughts .... i'm deeply hurt actually, having a strong boot fetish, though arses sometimes provide an enjoyable alternative"



I thought it was your self confession!

Fred is entitled to his views just as much as anyone else on hereis so attack the post not the poster if you don't like them , (must remember that myself).

And in the past Fred has often made many valid points and on occassions I have been on his side against the majority on here in what he says.

Keep posting Fred but please state what you would have done in possession of the same information as Obama was. In fairness its easy to criticise other peoples opinions when not giving your own so what would you have done ?

Nothing to do with the obnoxious KNOBHEAD being a fellow Welshman then Dil? :O)

I'm glad you phrased it that way instead of "obnoxious Welshman being a fellow KNOBHEAD" :-)


No nothing at all Chris , he has often made me think about things that I believe in but to date as far as I can remember he's never made me change those beliefs.

Aye Ditto Dil. Nobody could accuse Fred of being a 'people pleaser'. He just seems to have made a career of winding people up, water of a ducks back once sussed :O)

We should all be on our guards for people acting suspiciously...packages left around the underground, airports and such...because those bastards will want to kill more innocent people because of that nutcase's death.

Haven't posted on this thread before but have read all the varying points of view if only to stay sane while minding the grandchildren-note plural and all at same time - I am a bit uncomfortable with BL's shooting but I appreciate that I wasn't there therefore am not aware of all the facts and probably never will be, that it must have been an extremely nerve wracking situation for the navy seals and that I don't know what I would have done in the same situation. I also appreciate the problems in bringing BL to trial which could have dragged on until he died of natural causes and the Americans would probably have been blamed for that to. So what's done is done it's not totally right but it's not totally wrong thank somebody the decision wasn't mine and hopefully millions won't be spent setting up pointless inquiries. What I'm trying to say is although I'm uncomfortable I'm not prepared to judge. Sorry a bit long winded

The trouble with people like Bin Laden is that the best thing is to drag them out into the street and put a bullet in them,...it is the only way of dealing with those kind of people.....

Maggie, No self respecting person is ever easy with an unarmed person being shot. On the other hand no sane person would plan mass killing of innocents all over the world. The old saying " Live by the sword die by the sword" is most appropiate.While we plan hugh aid programs to help the less fortunate in our world, there those among use who even as I type this are plotting to harm us all. There is no easy solution. We are fortunate to have the kind of people who can pick up a 60 sec phone call and follow it to a conclusion. Anybody who watched the horror unfold as thousands died in the twin towers can only say some measure of justice has been done, but there is more to be done.

Well said Rf.

Beebusy, I have to disagree with you re 'No self respecting person is ever easy with an unarmed person being shot'.
I hope I am a self respecting person, but without going into detail, I have been in more than one position were another life was in my hands and I therefor I am able to say what I would have done in the Bin Laden incident.
I also worked with members of the SAS and SBS for several years (no I was not a member and would not pretend to be, never near brave enough) and although they did not openly talk about incidents (I worked with them for almost 1 year before I even found out they were special forces) I did learn something of what they did purely by default.
What I will say is a repeat of a previous post, as far as a terrorist is concerned if they are not completely naked and even then, you can't be absolutely sure they do not have a 'trigger' to a weapon that can be remotely detonated, they should be killed.
But I do see how it looks to those who do not know, so in no way having a go at you.
As to myself, even if he had been totally naked, unconscious and tried to a chair, the best decision would still have been to kill him.
Just imagine all the hassle if he had been taken alive. Imagine all the hostage taking that would follow to try to get his release and all the PR he could push out in a trial.
Taken live many more would die.
Because it's a very sick world, unfortunately sometimes morality has to take a back step to what makes sense.
Turning the other cheek (I am not referring to anything you said) often means getting another kick in the other ball!

If I was in charge of a list to put down others like BL it would be quite a long list.
To keep this world from total chaos, right or wrong, sometimes people 'Have to play God'!

Can't disagree with anything you've said Greek or you BB but it would have been nice and tidy if he'd had a gun or even a 'trigger' shows how safe he felt!

Yep cannot disagree, if I had entered that compound I would have shot him. Our trouble is we have a conscience they do not. It takes a certain amount of cowardice to tie a person up then cut his throat and film it for the masses. To plant roadside bombs that could destroy anything passing by.Snipers shooting children, wounded people lying in the road, even the water buttes. This is not fighting for freedom or an ideal this is sadistic, depraved humans at their worse.Dont think this is all removed from us, just glance across the water at Ireland.We allow a man who slaughtered hundreds to return to Libya saying there there you are sick go home!! when we should have made him pay the penalty for his actions. We have brought this on our selves.As a society we cannot even punish our children for wrong doing, we cannot defend that which is dear to us,we cannot speak freely about our concerns without being arrested as some kind of "ist" We cannot allow sharpening a pencil with a penknife!! risk assesment,offensive weapon, litigation?? I have no answers but as a nation we have questions and we must voice them.

The operation was clearly a 'kill operation'. It was what any group like the SAS would do. I saw Paddy Ashdown appearing to bad mouth the killing of Bin Laden on Question Time last night. He was the commander of a Special Boat Services unit and later in charge of a Commando Company in Belfast. He ought to know what happens.

Where was the fuss when terrorists took over the Iranian embassy and took hostages? The SAS went in and killed 5 of the 6 terrorists.

After the SAS assault ended, the last surviving gunman, Fowzi Nejad, posed as a hostage and was escorted outside the embassy with the others. There, a real hostage quickly identified him as one of the attackers. An SAS soldier began to take him back inside the building, allegedly to be shot. He was prevented from doing so when it was pointed out to him that the world's media was watching.

There was controversy over the deaths of some of the terrorists, especially of Shai and Makki. They were guarding the Iranian hostages, and towards the end of the raid the hostages persuaded the men to surrender. Hostages witnessed them throw down their weapons and sit on the floor with their hands on their heads when the SAS troops entered the room. Weapons being thrown out of a window and a white flag were seen by video cameras outside.

Ahmad Dadgar, a hostage at the time (confirmed by two other hostages) said (of the SAS):

"They then took the two terrorists, pushed them against the wall and shot them. They wanted to finish their story. That was their job." [They might have] "had something in their pockets, but they certainly had no weapons in their hands at the time."

At a coroner's inquest the SAS were cleared of unlawful conduct by a jury. One of the soldiers said that he thought Makki was going for a gun, and another said he thought Shai had a hand grenade and shot him in the back of the neck.

If you wanted to live outside of the UK , which place would you choose ? I know it would depend on individual circumstances.


All this talk as made me think about it.