Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The numbers involved are tiny in the scheme of things. A few immigrants picking fruit almost for free doesn't affect our economy. It is just an excuse to be xenophobic. The reality is that 85% of immigrants do not claim benefits. Most get sensible jobs. It is the small numbers on the fringe that get the publicity. It is the exaggeration of them as a problem that enables UKIP to act as rabble rousers.

that as may be, but certainly the gang culture (for workers!) offends - but then so do gypsy encampments even more!

How many more East Europeans would you like to take in then Hays ? can the UK take a population of 80 million or 90 million ?

Or am i being a rabble rouser ?

The easiest option to save the euro project is for Germany to exit. The rest may have a chance of competing thereafter. Germany has a cheap currency and now lots of cheap labour.

***** is seeking to end the population’s dependence on government handouts.

sounds almost like uk doesn't it :-)

a fairly easy quiz Q
what country is the above?

What Brexit would look like for Britain

Dan Hannan


‘So what’s your alternative?’ demand Euro-enthusiasts. ‘D’you want Britain to be like Norway? Or like Switzerland? Making cuckoo clocks? Is that what you want? Is it? Eh?’



Full story and a few eye opening factoids:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/what-britain-would-look-like-after-brexit/

a very interesting article, though its bias is obvious

Well Hannan, like Farage, has seen the EU from the inside. Must be worth something. The more shrill the voices of doom become about leaving, the more certain I am that they are wrong.

Our population is estimated to increase to 70 million over the next 12 years. We are growing in population slower than most countries and we take the least immigrants. UKIP has done a good job in making immigration a worry for people. And UKIP is very similar to the BNP and attracts similar supporters. Immigration is not such a problem as is made out. The real problem is the lack of infrastructure to support our population. UKIP only gained any serious following when the last recession began. In times of economic difficulty, parties at the extreme fringes start to do well. They appeal to people's fears and basic instincts.

How do you know our population is set to increase to 70 million in the next 12 years , nobody can estimate that with the doors open to 500 million people .

I take it your voting to stay then Hays ?

A factor in people wishing to leave the EU is the belief that laws are passed that affect us where we have no sovereign right to challenge them.

That could be an important thing. However, it seems that no one can thing of any examples.

Is there anyone here who has been affected in their day to day life by an EU law that is anyway onerous?

Jimmy
No, I am voting out for different reasons.

The estimate of 70m is from the ONS. Farage gave massive estimates of people who would come here from Romania etc and he was completely wrong. Knowing the total numbers in the EU doesn't tell you how many will actually come.

Hays has asked Lynton, who told him the best chance is with;

cynic is it France.

I could think of a number of countries. The oil rich, like Saudi, that have to cut due to the low oil price. Ditto Venezuela which is a train wreck under the Chavistas. Equally the USA under Obama with his food stamps program. But he thinks he has a bottomless pit to draw from.

no V ..... actually it's Saudi

Well it's their own fault .

68196 - eu legislation is often insidious .....

there is the plain stupid like dictating what apples can be grown commercially to limiting the number of hours that can be worked (48 hours includes travel time) to delaying for years making lorry cabs safer insofar as seeing cyclists is concerned

from the outside, one can pick and choose and adopt the bits of legislation that look sensible while rejecting the plain interfering and junk

Saudi and Russia have agreed to cut production to help raise prices.

It won't work because as the price rises then the shale oil that is loss making at present will come back on stream an cause over supply again.

Then add to that Iran beginning to pump again.

We are in for losing oil prices for the foreseeable future. Good for some developed countries and very bad for lots of others such as Saudi, Russia, Venezuela, Nigeria etc.

Saudi and Russia are freezing production .