Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

There is effectively an underclass now. If you grouped people by life expectancy, smokers, being overweight, poor education, buyers of fast and pre-prepared food, substance abuse you would end up with two distinct groups.

Smoking alone shows that. Smoking has largely died out amongst the middle classes.

There was a report a couple of days ago that had the wealthiest 10% living to around 95 and the poorest 10% live 35 years less. The difference was put down to choices that the two groups make.

And then there's stuff like the black economy, car boot sales, flogging stuff on eBay, Gumtree, etc, etc,.....

I wonder if these methods of people earning a few £ will grow?

That's why they want to ban cash.

Then the banks/gov will have full control over your money...or so they think.

I would suggest PostCapitalism: A Guide to Our Future by Paul Mason might be interesting for some to read.

Quite thoughtful and readable.


There are obvious limitations to consumer economic theories.

Though, some won't accept them.

We have to be generous and make allowances for people like H/S and his me me, up the ladder jack right wing utopian dream and hope that one day he reforms.. but there again.

Stan
I didn't say that I agreed with what the future holds or that I thought it was good or right.

But you agree with your main man, even though he's acting like a shill for the €uro brigade.

..You don't have to H/S.

No. I will vote out.

I do agree with Cameron that he got the best deal available. My reason for leaving have nothing to do with the things he was discussing.

Do share.

Lazy, incompetent, inpatient and frankly bone headed Police force alert!

Dog dies after being deliberately run over by police in Conwy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35644209

Well whatever happens in the future , taking in endless amounts of immigrants is not really doing us or EU any good is it just stacking up big problems in the future .

The letter trick backfired on Cameron badly.


Some of the 64 FTSE 100 companies that didn’t sign have revealed why:

Backing Europe will deter customers, according to Sainsbury’s, Morrisons and Tesco.

Tesco said in a statement: “The referendum on EU membership is a decision for the people of Britain. Whatever that decision is, our focus will continue to be on serving customers.”

Companies are keen to be seen as "neutral" to avoid offending customers on either side of the debate.

“We have thousands of employees and customers and no doubt there are strong opinions on both sides. The board has discussed it, and Persimmon has decided to remain firmly neutral," a spokesman for Persimmon said.

Sainsbury’s said it was an “apolitical organisation” and that the referendum is a matter for the people.



Other company bosses who chose not to put their name to it include Nigel Wilson, chief executive of Legal and General, and the chief executives of Whitbread, Persimmon and Land Securities: Alison Brittain, Jeff Fairburn and Robert Noel. All four were appointed last year as members of David Cameron’s business advisory group, which provides regular advice to the prime minister.
Severn Trent, whose chief executive, Liv Garfield, also sits on the business advisory group, said: “We think [Brexit] is a matter for the individual voter and aren’t commenting as a company.”

The letter trick backfired on Cameron badly.

The referendum was a barmy idea, dreamt up to placate the fossils in the tory party and attempt to hold the party together. Mainly for internal politics of Cameron's own party and done at the tax payers expense.

He was frightened by Nigel and his boyos and caved in.


Sainsbury is more concerned with footfall going into it stores and its bottom line.

Why should it antagonise 50% more or less of its punters.

fred is probably one of a small minority who thinks the referendum is bad idea ..... mind you, fred thinks EVERYTHING is a bad idea other than in Utopia

the country as a whole has been cheesed for a very long time with the way eu is run, which is why UKIP gets a decent amount of support, and even MEPs elected, even if nowhere else

whether the country is now sufficiently fed up to vote "out" come 23rd June, remains to be seen

while i am now inclined to vote "out", i still retain some very real fears as to what the medium/long term consequences will be, and i don't mean just for uk ..... the problem of course is that no one knows, though a period of instability is almost a racing certainty

The EU referendum campaign sets off with Leave one point ahead

The news has moved fast since David Cameron struck a deal to give the UK "special status" in the EU last weekend, as six high-profile Cabinet members made up their minds and joined the Leave campaign before Boris Johnson finally announced he would defy the Prime Minister's advice and support Leave – a decision coinciding with a slump in the value of Sterling to a seven-year low. When Mr Cameron first announced his draft proposals for the deal the media reaction was cold, and YouGov polling found both a boost for Leave and more than twice as many saying the deal was bad (45%) than good (22%).

In the first poll since the starting gun has been fired on the EU referendum campaign, YouGov's research for the Times shows there's everything to play for, as Leave falls seven points from 45% to 38% to meet Remain at 37% in an almost neck-and-neck race.

For memory UKIP had around 4m votes in the GE, that's a lot of possible out votes.
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cynic i really believe Britain can stand on it's own two feet providing we have strong government .

jimmy - much of what happens after the event, especially if "out", will be out of any one gov't's hands
not entirely sure what you mean by "strong gov't" in any case, but assuredly i see no one on any side who inspires much confidence at all ....... and no, boris certainly wouldn't either!

So, Dave's deal appears to be worthless..




EU referendum: Downing Street rejects Michael Gove's claim that Prime Minister's EU deal is 'not legally binding'- live

The Justice Secretary has argued that until the treaties are modified the European Court of Justice is “not bound” by the agreement




By Laura Hughes, Political Correspondent

10:20AM GMT 24 Feb 2016



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10:20

Who's right, the solicitor general or Michael Gove?


In Facts, a fact checking service that supports membership, comes down on the side of Michael Gove, writes Matthew Holehouse in Brussels.

The deal may be legally binding on its signatories, but it cannot preempt the verdict of the ECJ and the Parliament which are required to pass elements of the deal.

That means the emergency brake can be torn to pieces, either by MEPs or judges on Luxembourg.



More:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12171256/EU-referendum-Michael-Gove-David-Cameron-Boris-Johnson-Brexit-PMQs-live.html