Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

the further along the campaigning trail we go, the greater the obfuscation and half-truths from both sides

straight and truthful answers from anyone will be rarer than hens' teeth

Iturama what does Cameron do if the vote goes out . He's committed himself fully to staying in , what does he do resign . Why get yourself in that position , he should give reasons for and against and let the voters decide .

Call Me Dave is just obeying orders.

Who from Maxk , not the german woman eh .

I don't think so V, I suspect she is following orders too.

But, in saying that, I wouldn't put anything past them.

V,
he has to resign when we vote out and an "out" has to take over as PM. We cannot have a non believer making the necessary steps that will be required to move forward. Dave realises that he has painted himself into a corner and perhaps that's why his attacks on Boris rose to the personal level. You are right in that perhaps the PM should be above it all and allow reasonable debate on both sides. But he has simply reinforced the view he has had since the beginning and most of his cabinet has gone along with him. Hardly surprising since it takes real courage to dissent. The consequence is that is the government's position and the "Ins" have the apparatus of the government behind it, as well as the gimme politicians of various hues.

Nor would I , it must work at all costs is what I think .

Ta iturama , but it's quite easy for it to backfire on him people can turn very quickly against someone . I must say I'm pretty peeved off with him myself .

68386 - tell that to the labour party and corbyn .... doesn't really want to vote to stay in eu, and assuredly wants to get rid of trident!

btw, DC had to take a stand one way or another, and had little choice other than to back staying in eu

The old adage still holds true today of knowing the man by the company he keeps and our Dave has managed to attract a motley crew to his cause. The common thread of his new friends is socialism. Something for nothing.
Any business that ran that way would go bankrupt. Which is why so much of the EU is in total distress. Hardly surprising its citizens want to come here.

Imagine a business community where, if you made a profit , you had to pay part of it to another company that had made a loss even if its business plan was totally unrealistic. Who would invest in that sort of arrangement?
Well that is the EU today. Be succesful and you are penalised. Be an economic cripple and you are rewarded. At least financially. In terms of dignity, your nation is humiliated for the false promises of its leaders.

question .....
will the new minimum wage in uk (£7.20 from april rising eventually to ~ £9.00 ph i think) be more than in any other eu country?

it's impossible to start taking assorted taxes, cost of living and the like into account

ttps://www.reinisfischer.com/what-minimum-wage-european-union-2015

As you see in the table, The UK is already the highest pay, after Luxembourg. Calculations are in euros, so exchange rate dependent. See the lowest rates of pay to imagine the lure problem.

Links broke, all you get is gibberish.


https://www.reinisfischer.com/what-minimum-wage-european-union-2015

Working now.


Bulgaria = €1.15 ph.

very interesting, but if you use current ROE - 1.10 €/$ and 1.40 £/$) - you'll probably have a completely different answer - ie uk lagging behind the other heavyweights of NL, Belgium, Germany, France and Ireland

however, come April and the uk minimum wage rises to £7.20, but I have no idea what is happening in other eu countries

Current exchange rate is 1.27 euros to the £ . The £: $ rate is very low historically for the reasons we know about.
So today the UK minimum wage is the same as Germany's in euros and will be second only to Luxembourg in a month's time.
I use to know Luxembourg more as a radio station than a EU 'country'. The size of Northamptonshire with a smaller population. Statistically irrelevant. In fact just irrelevant. Little wonder that its former PM (shouldn't that be just mayor?) is now President of the European Commission. First class credentials.

what odds that the express is telling the whole truth?