Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Haystack
- 19 Oct 2015 10:12
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That article was from an Israeli newspaper.
Many Israelis have the view that the occupation of Palestine and settlement building is the cause of the violence. Don't forget the violence by settlers inflicted on unarmed Palestinians on a daily basis that is apart from Palestinians killed by settlers. Don't forget the Palestinians shot by Israeli soldiers jus for approaching the Gaza fence too closely. Don't forget the shooting of Gaza fishermen shot by soldiers while fishing offshore. Don't forget the shoot to kill policy of Israel soldiers in demonstrations and Gaza which are fully documented by ex Israeli soldiers. Don't forget the illegal occupation of Palestine and constant stealing of their land. And who are the settlers instructed to harass and kill Palestinians but the extremest Rabbis while the government and soldiers look the other way.
Gausie
- 19 Oct 2015 15:14
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Oh, so it's not fundamentalist Islamists looking for virgins then?
Fred1new
- 19 Oct 2015 16:17
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As somebody posted earlier.
What goes round, comes round!
Haystack
- 19 Oct 2015 16:55
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Just fundamentalist Zionists looking to steal land.
Gausie
- 20 Oct 2015 11:38
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Hays - post 6851: Just fundamentalist Zionists looking to steal land.
Fundamentalist Zionists? That's not a term I'm familiar with.
Islamic fundamentalists take their fundamentals from the q'uran. Christian fundamentalists take their fundamentals from the holy bible. Where do you suggest fundamentalist Zionists take their fundamentals from?
Haystack
- 20 Oct 2015 11:52
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There are huge numbers of references to fundamental Zionists. Here is one from the Guardian
Both Palestinians and Jews are to blame, but the Israelis are not helping the cause with their constant building on occupied land while thumbing their nose at the international community and countless UN resolutions. Being the ones that could get the peace process rolling again, they are hijacked by their fundamental Zionists who believe that GOD has given the Jewish people that land, and to no-one else.
With the recent Gaza blockade the Jews have resorted to tactics worthy of the worst kind, persecuting the poor and helpless Palestinians just like they were persecuted in the past.
It's an awful shame and this from the people of the bible. I am disgusted by the Zionist fundamentalists amongst them that are at the root of this evil (these guys look and act so much like those Iranian ayatollahs) It's almost as if these fundamentalists want to make the Palestinians pay for what they the Jews had endured when they were persecuted in Europe as some sort of vengeance, Those fundamentalist Zionists are all European (Russian etc.) in nature, not like the more affable Arab Jews who have learned to get along with their Arab cousins.
Haystack
- 20 Oct 2015 12:01
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Just look at the patent racism of Israelis. An Eritrean asylum seeker was shot and then lynched by an Israeli mob because of his appearance. The Israelis were shouting "death to Arabs" while they beat him to death.
'As the young man lay on the floor, a mob cursed him, kicked him and hit him with objects. Security camera video showed Zerhom in a pool of blood as he was rammed with a bench and kicked in the head by passers-by, while an Israeli officer and a few bystanders tried to protect him. Zerhom later died at a hospital.'
Gausie
- 20 Oct 2015 16:10
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I understand now.
You're anti-fundamentalist Zionists. And fundamentalist zionists means to you Jews who believe in their bible - ie jews who take their religion seriously.
I'm a lot clearer on your position now. Glad you cleared it up. And I'm not entirely surprised by your admission. I'll bet some of your best friends are jewish .....
Haystack
- 20 Oct 2015 19:34
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It really depends on whether you believe the bible. It is just a bunch of fairy stories for people to follow. It is certainly not the legal basis to claim someone else's land. I suppose you are just as happy to accept anything that Muslims do when they use the Quoran as a justification. If you go down that route you have to accept any behaviour if is written in a book and there are people who believe it.
It is not possible for the world to be peaceful if people can justify their actions by religion. ISIL is a good example by itself. Certainly, the majority of the world don't care what is in the bible.
Gausie
- 20 Oct 2015 20:33
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Hay
Keep digging pal. Read your posts above again. Your so called anti-zionism mask has slipped and you've exposed the very real and ugly anti-semitism face that lies beneath.
Haystack
- 20 Oct 2015 21:54
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Nothing to do with antisemitism. I would be opposed to any group that was stealing land because a silly book said they could. What about the Israelis that are opposed to Zionism and stealing land. There are also secular Israelis who are opposed to the way Israel behaves in the West Bank and Gaza. The charge of antisemitism is the usual method to attempt to silence critics. If an Israeli is opposed to Israel's methods and behaviour, he is called a self hating Jew. The Jews that I know fall into two groups. There are the ones who support Israel no matter what they do and there are others who dislike Israel intensely. I don't particularly see Israel as a Jewish state. There is a substantial Arab and Christian population. It is not the people I am opposed to. It is the people governing them and the ones who have influence over the policies. If you want to see Israelis that are opposed to Israel's behaviour the listen to the left wing in Israel. They are totally opposed to Zionism.
Gausie
- 21 Oct 2015 06:30
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o With the recent Gaza blockade the Jews have resorted to tactics worthy of the worst kind
o It's an awful shame and this from the people of the bible.
etc etc etc
Backpedal as much as you like. Your racist bigoted ass is exposed. You are beneath contempt.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 11:58
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That's very funny.
You may regard them as 'people of the bible', but I don't. Being a Jew has nothing to do with it. It is being a supporter of an Israeli government that is the trouble. People of the bible has the same importance as being people Noddy in Toyland. Switching the argument to racism is a common tactic used by Israel to divert attention from their apartheid treatment of the Palestinians. I have the same view of China in the way they treat Tibetans. Both are vicious governments occupying a foreign country. I view the whole of Israel as Palestine in the same way that Zionists view all of the land west of the Jordan as Israel. The difference is that it was the land of Palestinians in living memory. Israel should never have existed and hopefully that will be remedied one day.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 19:40
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If you want to find aracist then look at Netanyahu.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews
Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews, but Jerusalem's Grand Mufti convinced him to exterminate them, a claim that was rejected by most accepted Holocaust scholars.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Wednesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no
intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.
In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."
Netanyahu's remarks were quick to spark a social media storm, though Netanyahu made a similar claim during a Knesset speech in 2012, where he described the Husseini as "one of the leading architects" of the final solution.
Gausie
- 21 Oct 2015 19:50
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Already found one.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 20:53
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U.S. Official on Netanyahu's Hitler Remarks: Israel, Palestinians Must Avoid Inflammatory Rhetoric
U.S. has stressed publicly and privately the importance of both avoiding actions that could feed violence, senior U.S. official says.
A senior U.S. official said Wednesday that the United States expects both Israel and the Palestinians to refrain from inflammatory statements that could escalate the situation, referring to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's comments on Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Haystack
- 21 Oct 2015 23:42
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From sky
Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been accused of absolving Hitler of responsibility for the Holocaust.
In a speech to the Zionist World Congress, Mr Netanyahu said the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Al Husseini, had played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a November 1941 meeting in Berlin.
"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Mr Netanyahu told the group.
"Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said: 'Burn them.'"
The comments have sparked uproar, not just from Palestinians but also Israeli opposition figures and academics.
"It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbour so much so that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history," he said.
In an interview with Sky News, Professor Dina Porat, chief historian for Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, said Mr Netanyahu should retract and clarify his statement.
Israel’s opposition leader Isaac Herzog added his voice to the criticisms, accusing Mr Netanyahu of a "dangerous historical distortion" that plays into the hands of Holocaust deniers.
Haystack
- 24 Oct 2015 12:58
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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681952
When a German Official Puts the Israeli PM in His Place
Netanyahu’s cynical, clumsy attempt to associate the Palestinian president with the Nazified worldview of the mufti of Jerusalem exploded in the PM’s face. But maybe that doesn’t matter: No one in the world believes a word he says.
Haystack
- 26 Oct 2015 13:02
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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682311
Palestinians to Ask UN to Set Deadline for Ending Occupation
Saeb Erekat announces that Palestinians will seek international protection in Security Council as well as establishment of commission of inquiry into current violence.
Saeb Erekat, secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organization’s steering and monitoring committee, announced Sunday that the PLO and Arab League are preparing a motion for the UN Security Council that sets a deadline for ending Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.
Haystack
- 27 Oct 2015 13:45
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http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.682420
Hundreds of British Academics Sign Letter Vowing to Boycott Israel
In a full-page ad due to be published in the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday, the academics accuse Israel of illegal occupation, human rights violations and resisting a settlement.
A letter in support of the Palestinian cause signed by 343 British academics is due to be published as a full page advert in the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday.
Reporting on the letter, the Jewish Chronicle said that the signatories come from 72 institutions, including the prestigious Oxford and Cambridge universities.
"As scholars associated with British universities, we are deeply disturbed by Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian land, the intolerable human rights violations that it inflicts on all sections of the Palestinian people and its apparent determination to resist any feasible settlement," the academics write in the letter.
The signatories of the letter undertake to reject invitations to visit Israeli academic institutions, to refuse to act as academic referees and to stay away from all conferences "funded, organized or sponsored" by Israeli institutions.