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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 20 Oct 2015 19:34 - 6856 of 6906

It really depends on whether you believe the bible. It is just a bunch of fairy stories for people to follow. It is certainly not the legal basis to claim someone else's land. I suppose you are just as happy to accept anything that Muslims do when they use the Quoran as a justification. If you go down that route you have to accept any behaviour if is written in a book and there are people who believe it.

It is not possible for the world to be peaceful if people can justify their actions by religion. ISIL is a good example by itself. Certainly, the majority of the world don't care what is in the bible.

Gausie - 20 Oct 2015 20:33 - 6857 of 6906

Hay

Keep digging pal. Read your posts above again. Your so called anti-zionism mask has slipped and you've exposed the very real and ugly anti-semitism face that lies beneath.


Haystack - 20 Oct 2015 21:54 - 6858 of 6906

Nothing to do with antisemitism. I would be opposed to any group that was stealing land because a silly book said they could. What about the Israelis that are opposed to Zionism and stealing land. There are also secular Israelis who are opposed to the way Israel behaves in the West Bank and Gaza. The charge of antisemitism is the usual method to attempt to silence critics. If an Israeli is opposed to Israel's methods and behaviour, he is called a self hating Jew. The Jews that I know fall into two groups. There are the ones who support Israel no matter what they do and there are others who dislike Israel intensely. I don't particularly see Israel as a Jewish state. There is a substantial Arab and Christian population. It is not the people I am opposed to. It is the people governing them and the ones who have influence over the policies. If you want to see Israelis that are opposed to Israel's behaviour the listen to the left wing in Israel. They are totally opposed to Zionism.

Gausie - 21 Oct 2015 06:30 - 6859 of 6906

o With the recent Gaza blockade the Jews have resorted to tactics worthy of the worst kind
o It's an awful shame and this from the people of the bible.
etc etc etc

Backpedal as much as you like. Your racist bigoted ass is exposed. You are beneath contempt.

Haystack - 21 Oct 2015 11:58 - 6860 of 6906

That's very funny.

You may regard them as 'people of the bible', but I don't. Being a Jew has nothing to do with it. It is being a supporter of an Israeli government that is the trouble. People of the bible has the same importance as being people Noddy in Toyland. Switching the argument to racism is a common tactic used by Israel to divert attention from their apartheid treatment of the Palestinians. I have the same view of China in the way they treat Tibetans. Both are vicious governments occupying a foreign country. I view the whole of Israel as Palestine in the same way that Zionists view all of the land west of the Jordan as Israel. The difference is that it was the land of Palestinians in living memory. Israel should never have existed and hopefully that will be remedied one day.

Haystack - 21 Oct 2015 19:40 - 6861 of 6906

If you want to find aracist then look at Netanyahu.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews

Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews, but Jerusalem's Grand Mufti convinced him to exterminate them, a claim that was rejected by most accepted Holocaust scholars.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Wednesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no
intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.

In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."

Netanyahu's remarks were quick to spark a social media storm, though Netanyahu made a similar claim during a Knesset speech in 2012, where he described the Husseini as "one of the leading architects" of the final solution.

Gausie - 21 Oct 2015 19:50 - 6862 of 6906

Already found one.

Haystack - 21 Oct 2015 20:53 - 6863 of 6906

U.S. Official on Netanyahu's Hitler Remarks: Israel, Palestinians Must Avoid Inflammatory Rhetoric

U.S. has stressed publicly and privately the importance of both avoiding actions that could feed violence, senior U.S. official says.

A senior U.S. official said Wednesday that the United States expects both Israel and the Palestinians to refrain from inflammatory statements that could escalate the situation, referring to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's comments on Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Haystack - 21 Oct 2015 23:42 - 6864 of 6906

From sky

Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been accused of absolving Hitler of responsibility for the Holocaust.

In a speech to the Zionist World Congress, Mr Netanyahu said the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Al Husseini, had played a "central role in fomenting the final solution" by trying to convince Hitler to destroy the Jews during a November 1941 meeting in Berlin.

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Mr Netanyahu told the group.

"Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here.' 'So what should I do with them?' he asked. He said: 'Burn them.'"

The comments have sparked uproar, not just from Palestinians but also Israeli opposition figures and academics.

"It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbour so much so that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history," he said.

In an interview with Sky News, Professor Dina Porat, chief historian for Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, said Mr Netanyahu should retract and clarify his statement.

Israel’s opposition leader Isaac Herzog added his voice to the criticisms, accusing Mr Netanyahu of a "dangerous historical distortion" that plays into the hands of Holocaust deniers.

Haystack - 24 Oct 2015 12:58 - 6865 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681952

When a German Official Puts the Israeli PM in His Place

Netanyahu’s cynical, clumsy attempt to associate the Palestinian president with the Nazified worldview of the mufti of Jerusalem exploded in the PM’s face. But maybe that doesn’t matter: No one in the world believes a word he says.

Haystack - 26 Oct 2015 13:02 - 6866 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682311

Palestinians to Ask UN to Set Deadline for Ending Occupation

Saeb Erekat announces that Palestinians will seek international protection in Security Council as well as establishment of commission of inquiry into current violence.

Saeb Erekat, secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organization’s steering and monitoring committee, announced Sunday that the PLO and Arab League are preparing a motion for the UN Security Council that sets a deadline for ending Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

Haystack - 27 Oct 2015 13:45 - 6867 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.682420

Hundreds of British Academics Sign Letter Vowing to Boycott Israel

In a full-page ad due to be published in the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday, the academics accuse Israel of illegal occupation, human rights violations and resisting a settlement.

A letter in support of the Palestinian cause signed by 343 British academics is due to be published as a full page advert in the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday.

Reporting on the letter, the Jewish Chronicle said that the signatories come from 72 institutions, including the prestigious Oxford and Cambridge universities.

"As scholars associated with British universities, we are deeply disturbed by Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian land, the intolerable human rights violations that it inflicts on all sections of the Palestinian people and its apparent determination to resist any feasible settlement," the academics write in the letter.

The signatories of the letter undertake to reject invitations to visit Israeli academic institutions, to refuse to act as academic referees and to stay away from all conferences "funded, organized or sponsored" by Israeli institutions.

Haystack - 03 Nov 2015 00:00 - 6869 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.683847

EU to Issue Settlement Product Labeling Guidelines Next Week, Senior Israeli Officials Say

Neither the Foreign Ministry nor the Prime Minister’s Office have practically any detail on the contents of the new guidelines, which at this stage are closely-guarded.

The European Union is expected to issue new guidelines on November 11 regarding the labeling of products from West Bank settlements that are sold by European retail chains, senior officials in Jerusalem said.

Haystack - 03 Nov 2015 00:07 - 6870 of 6906

http://m.jpost.com/?Mobileid=1#article=6017OTBGRjU1OUVGRjk3QTYxNjBDQzBGQjlBQTM3QzdDQjk=

The European Union is expected to publish in the next few weeks its long anticipated guidelines on the consumer labeling of Israeli products produced over the pre-1967 lines, in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

The impending EU labeling of what it calls "settlement products” has been a contentious issue between Brussels and Jerusalem since 2012.

Late Monday night an Israeli diplomatic official said, “We expect the guidelines to be published soon, possibly within days.”

The official added, “We’re trying to convince the European Union and its member states that this is a mistake. It has an element of discrimination to it and does not in any way help the diplomatic process.”

The official took issue with the publication of the guidelines at time when the Palestinian leadership refuses to hold direct talks with Israel and when Palestinian assailants have killed 11 Israelis and wounded over 100 in a series of some 60 attacks since October 1.

“If anything the publication of these guidelines now, gives the Palestinians a prize for their terrorism and obstinance. It also supports the overall atmosphere of Israeli boycotts,” the official said.

The guidelines, to be published out of Brussels under the guidance of the EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, do not need to be put to a vote.

The document simply puts together already existing guidelines and legislation with regard to “settlement products.” It is designed to help EU member states understand what the law is with regard to the labeling of such products.

The EU considers Jewish communities over the pre-1967 lines in east Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and the West Bank to be illegal.

For over a decade, Israeli products produced over the pre-1967 lines have been excempt from Israel’s free trade agreement with the EU. Codes have been placed on the products to allow EU custom official to properly determined if the products were produced within the Green Line or over it.

These guidelines would provide European consumers in stores with that same information.

Under pressure from the United States, the EU backed away from its push to publish the settlement guidelines during the nine-month negotiations period brokered by US Secretary of State John Kerry that ended without any results in April 2014.

Since then the peace process has been frozen. All attempts to bring the two sides together have failed. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called on Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to resume direct talks immediately without any preconditions.

Abbas has refused to hold such talks unless Israel agrees to withdraw to the pre-1967 lines and to stop all Jewish building in east Jerusalem and the West Bank.

On Tuesday Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely is expected to head to the Barkan Industrial Park in the Samaria region of the West Bank to speak against settlement product labeling.

On Sunday Knesset speaker Yuli Edelstein also attacked product labeling a special meeting int he Knesset with the Samaria Regional Council and a visiting delegation of Italian Jews.

The information about the pending publication of EU guidelines for settlement products comes just one week before Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to travel to Washington DC to meet with US President Barack Obama.

On Monday, Army Radio said that in advance of that trip, the Jerusalem Municipality has agreed not to publish building permits for Jewish and Arab construction over the pre-1967 lines in the country's capital. It noted in particular that approval for permits to allow for additional construction in the contentious Ramat Shlomo neighborhood had been removed from the agenda of Wednesday municipal planning and construction committee.

The Jerusalem Municipality denied the report and said that construction would continue unabated throughout the capital.

“The Jerusalem municipality continues to advance construction throughout the city for all populations,” it said in a statement. It added, “The plans will be presented later.”

Initial plans for that neighborhood first hit the headlines during a 2010 visit to Israel by US Vice President Joseph Biden and created a major diplomatic row with Washington. Two years later, the Interior Ministry’s Jerusalem District Planning and Construction Committee ratified the plan.

Haystack - 03 Nov 2015 19:10 - 6871 of 6906

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4715319,00.html

Fatah on the verge of eruption

IDF troops that entered Shuafat refugee camp this week had to withdraw after encountering dozens of armed militants; this is only an example of what might happen when Fatah's armed wing, Tanzim, joins the fight against Israel. And they won't do with just knives: There are thousands of weapons all over East Jerusalem.

Haystack - 03 Nov 2015 22:56 - 6872 of 6906

http://m.jpost.com/?Mobileid=1#article=6017QkRBMDdFOUVDMEMzMDUwQjAzRDA1MERCMTMyRjAyOEU=

EU ambassador: 'Territory beyond the Green Line is not part of Israel,' defends settlement labeling

Products produced over the pre-1967 lines are not “made in Israel” and cannot be labeled that way, European Union Ambassador to Israel Lars Faaborg-Andersen said on Tuesday.

He spoke to The Jerusalem Post in defense of the pending publication of guidelines to enable member states to place consumer labels on exports from east Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

“The EU position is that we do not recognize Israeli authority beyond the Green Line. It is not part of Israel. It is not part of what we understand to be Israel’s international recognized borders,” said Faaborg-Andersen in a telephone interview.

“For that reason we cannot agree that products that come from settlements beyond the Green Line are labeled ‘made in Israel.’” Faaborg-Andersen will be one of the featured speakers at the fourth Jerusalem Post Diplomatic Conference in Jerusalem on November 18.

An Israeli diplomatic official warned on Monday that the EU settlement- abeling guidelines might be published in the coming weeks, possibly even in the next few days.

Haystack - 07 Nov 2015 18:38 - 6873 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.682912

Netanyahu's Apartheid Vision for Israel's Future

In the real world, outside the realm of speechmaking, Netanyahu is only ready to hold empty and aimless talks with the Palestinians.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented his current political vision to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee this week. While saying that that he does not want a binational state, Netanyahu stressed that Israel “must control the entire area for the foreseeable future.” He explained that he was prepared to divide the land but “the other side is unwilling,” and that the Middle East is subject to Islamic religious influences that preclude any possibility for peace.

On the face of it, this position does not seem extremist. It’s accepted by most Israeli Jews, according to multiple surveys that have been conducted over the last 15 years, ever since the Camp David summit. Most people support the idea of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, but believe that it is not practical since there is “no partner” on the other side. The same majority, including Netanyahu, opposes the notion of a binational state with equal rights for all its citizens, Jews and Palestinians alike.

Netanyahu has cleaved to this line for his entire tenure: Verbal consent to dividing the land – which distinguishes him from the extreme right and from settler leaders – while in practice adopting policies that thwart the realization of such partitioning. He has consistently refused to talk about future borders with the Palestinians, demanding that they recognize Israel as “a Jewish state,” developing and expanding settlements across the West Bank and presenting Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as an enemy and instigator to violence.

In the real world, outside the realm of speechmaking, Netanyahu is only ready to hold empty and aimless talks with the Palestinians, or to discuss “small steps to reduce tension,” without relinquishing any control on the ground.

His words this week acknowledged Israel’s total domination over the territories, discarding the dual pretense of a “temporary war-like situation,” which the state has regularly presented to the High Court of Justice for decades, and the pretense of a Palestinian Authority supposedly enjoying autonomy in managing Palestinian affairs, as Israel likes to present things.

Netanyahu’s opposition to a binational state leads to a clear conclusion: As long as “Israel’s control of the area” continues, millions of Palestinians in the territories will remain in the inferior status of subjects devoid of civil rights. Their settler neighbors, meanwhile, enjoy such rights unhampered.

The regime described in Netanyahu’s vision has a name – it’s called apartheid. There is no other term for two populations living in the same area, one with political rights and the other under perennial military occupation. No security argument or warnings about the effects of Islam can whitewash the implications of this vision. Netanyahu’s words should shock anyone who is concerned about the justice of Israel’s cause and the country’s future. Concerned people should unite and form a national salvation front that will work to replace this government.

Gausie - 08 Nov 2015 17:58 - 6874 of 6906

Haystack - 08 Nov 2015 20:10 - 6875 of 6906

http://m.jpost.com/?Mobileid=1#article=6017QUE4OTlCRjZDQTMxMUZERUZEMDU3NTk1MkY4RjYzNDA=

Zoabi: Israel like Germany of 1930's - remaining silent as Palestinian homes burn

Joint List MK Haneen Zoabi, speaking at Dutch Kristallnacht memorial event, criticizes on Israeli public for "remaining silent" on Palestinian oppression.

Joint List MK Haneen Zoabi spoke about racism in Israel at a Kristallnacht commemoration event in Amsterdam Sunday, according to a Channel 10 report.

Zoabi spoke at an alternative commemoration event hosted by local left-wing Jewish activists and pro-Palestinian organizations in the Dutch capital, ushering in much criticism from the local Dutch Jewish and Israeli community.

"It is my honor to speak on behalf of the Kristallnacht victims...on behalf of all the Jews in history who have resisted oppression." Zoabi said.

The Joint List MK drew a comparison between Germany of the 1930's and modern Israel, saying, "During Kristallnacht thousands of Jewish businesses and synagogues were burned, while the Germans remained silent. Today, as the homes of Palestinians are burned, as churches and people are burned alive- the majority in Israel remains silent."
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