Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The rest of the world is queueing up Fred..



Australia and Canada urge UK to join ready made trade deals such as Nafta



By Tim Wallace
26 April 2017 • 3:29pm




Britain should look at joining trade blocs around the world as a quick way to boost free trade after Brexit, with top Australian and Canadian officials proposing the idea as an off-the-shelf way to boost the UK and world economies.

Joining Nafta - the group made up of Canada, Mexico and the US - would give British importers and exporters better access to those markets without a difficult negotiation, as long as the UK is happy to sign up to the deal that already exists. Some British MPs raised the idea last year, meaning it now has backers on both sides of the Atlantic.

Similarly, joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the deal which was due to be implemented between 12 countries including Australia and Japan until Donald Trump pulled the US out of the agreement, would cut the cost of trading with key nations across the world.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/26/australia-canada-urge-uk-join-ready-made-trade-deals-nafta/

EU Deletes UK from Official Map... Two Years Before Brexit


by Tyler Durden

Apr 29, 2017 6:30 PM







Full article: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-29/eu-deletes-uk-official-map-two-years-brexit

Cornwall voted 75% leave in the referendum.

Mark,

Have a close look at the said unemployment figures of those countries.

And have a close look at those figures and the effects of ZERO hour employment in the UK.

Check the data which the matron is delaying being publicised or is actually suppressing.

Unemployment rates for the under 25's in the likes of Greece, Spain and Portugal are significantly worse than the overall figures for those countries

Fred.

I know all about zero hour contracts, being self employed for most of my working life, for me it's a fact of life.

However, the £7 an hour (de facto) self employed lark is a joke, a bad joke imo, and I agree with you, it's hidden unemployment, cos most cant earn enough to live.

Hmmm?

I suppose, that until we have negotiated ourselves out of the EU, that being still in it, we might be able to sign up to some of these 'rest of the world deals' and enjoy the best of both worlds.

However, the £7 an hour (de facto) self employed lark is a joke, a bad joke imo, and I agree with you, it's hidden unemployment, cos most cant earn enough to live.

It pisses me off to have to pay £7 to someone behind the counter for, say merely two coffees and cakes, knowing that if it were the other way round, the person behind the counter would have to: first pay out expenses to get to work, work for more than an hour, pay taxes and then finally pay expenses to get home again, so as to come up with the £7 I'm just lobbing out.

And if they happen to be a young person, all of the same but have to work for more than an hour.

NOTE: To the best of my knowledge, the only way to become wealthy is to first get rid of all time limiting methods of earning money (eg. hourly wages, weekly wages, monthly wages, annual salaries) and get yourself involved in 'Selling Things' - which is not time limiting and therefore has no earnings ceiling on it.

Please correct me if you think I'm wrong.

I was under the impression that Macron was a bit of a stooge for the EU wally's , but a look at BBC news shows him as saying the EU must change or there will be Frexit . So whether you are disgusted by Le Penn she's making them think over there .

disillusionment with brussels - rather than the concept of a european trading bloc - is widespread throughout europe

as i have said since well before the referendum, it is most regrettable (yes i know fred and many millions more fundamentally disagree) that it has been necessary for uk to vote "out" to get any semblance of awareness of the need for fundamantal change

Jean-Claude reports to the boss.



Jean-Claude Juncker says Theresa May is 'deluded' in scathing call with Angela Merkel after Brexit talks




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

It's not TM that's deluded.

don't confuse public polemic with the real stuff behind closed doors
anyone who thinks that remaining 27 member states will be united in their stance to uk is totally naive

Junker. can rant and rave as much as he wants but can do sod all about us leaving and it's getting to him.

i feel that juncker would be very pleased to see the back of uk, for he sees uk as a very painful thorn in the side of his fiefdom (an odd mixed metaphor i agree)

After 'The Iron Lady' we should have a safe pair of hands in 'The May-ed of Steel', just need to secure a decent majority in the GE.

duplicated

George,

Theresa Maybe is seen by many as the Donald Trump of Europe.

I think many in Europe are fed up with recent adolescent blusterings of said UK political negotiators who irritate with their patronising superiority.

A little more humility may save them from being seen scuttling around Europe and the rest of the world with begging bowls in their hands.

The threats and attempts at bullying by the Matron and cronies are recognised as necessary to placate and satisfy the needs of her own party of right wing misfits.

it's obvious little fred know's absolutely nothing about negotiations, and the
shennenigans that politicians get up to, or the spiel they give when an election
is in the pipeline..ie: Merkel.

Maybe the Tory's and T.May give the impression of having the trump hand or
are confident of getting a good deal for the UK, but the EU have being giving
out their threats and demands, which is understandable from both sides
at the commencement of talks, but for little fred to lay all the 'adolescent
blustering's' and 'UK negotiators' who 'irritate' with their 'patronising' superiority.

And little fred wanting more 'humility', obviously referring to UK negotiators, and
the rest of his biased accusations of the UK negotiating position, but absolutely NO
condemnation of the Brussels eurocrats stance and revenge diatribes, shows
who's side this individual is on...

So the opinion of this weasle is one to be ridiculed and challenged at every opportunity.

I think many in Europe are fed up with recent adolescent blusterings of said UK political negotiators who irritate with their patronising superiority.

you could just as justifiably comment the same of "Brussels' political negotiators who irritate with their patronising superiority"