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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Stan - 11 Nov 2015 23:28 - 6879 of 6906

Boris Johnson has had to cancel planned public events in the West Bank because of security fears after he criticised backers of a boycott on Israeli goods.

Famous for being famous best describes the prat these days.

Haystack - 15 Nov 2015 15:40 - 6880 of 6906

Jerusalem Post

http://m.jpost.com/?Mobileid=1#article=6017RjNFQjFFREJCQzlBNDIyQjU2MUM0QjRBMzdEOUY2MTY=

Far-right settler rabbi: Paris attacks are payback for the Holocaust
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Sat, 14 Nov 2015, 10:29 PM
The quote from Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba, was first reported by the Walla! news agency.

A religious Zionist cleric from a Jewish settlement on the West Bank told mourners on Saturday during the funeral of an Israeli father and son gunned down by Palestinian terrorists that the attacks in Paris were deserved due to what Europeans "did to our people 70 years ago."

The quote from Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba, was first reported by the Walla! news agency.

"The wicked ones in blood-soaked Europe deserve it for what they did to our people 70 years ago," Lior said.

The controversial rabbi once wrote an approbation for a book called The King’s Torah that was co-written in 2009 by radical settler figure Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, which permitted killing civilian non-Jews in times of war.

He was summoned by police for questioning on grounds of incitement to violence but refused to report for questioning, saying the Torah was not open to police investigation. He was subsequently arrested and brought for questioning but no charges were made.

Last year, Lior published a letter saying that Jewish law permits destroying the entire Gaza Strip to bring peace to the south of the country.

Lior said that he had received questions about whether Jewish law permits harming a civilian population not directly involved with the combatants.

He first cited the opinion of the Maharal of Prague, a renowned 16th-century rabbi, who wrote that a nation under attack can wage a fierce war against the assaulting nation, and that it is not obligated regarding the safety of people who are personally involved in hostilities.

“At a time of war, the nation under attack is allowed to punish the enemy population with measures it finds suitable, such as blocking supplies or electricity, as well as shelling the entire area according to the army minister’s judgment, and not to needlessly endanger soldiers but rather to take crushing deterring steps to exterminate the enemy,” Lior wrote.

Addressing the hostilities with Hamas, the rabbi continued to say that “in the case of Gaza, it would be permitted for the defense minister to even order the destruction of all of Gaza so that the South will no longer suffer and to prevent injury to our people, who have been suffering for so long from the enemies surrounding us.”

“Talk of humanitarianism and consideration are nothing when weighed against saving our brothers in the South and across the country and the restoration of quiet to our land,” he said.

Haystack - 21 Nov 2015 20:40 - 6881 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.687513

Europe's Largest Department Store Removes Israeli Products From Shelves

KaDeWe in Berlin will re-label products following the EU's decision to mark Israeli settlement goods, spokeswoman says.

Europe's largest department store, the Kaufhaus des Westens (KaDeWe) in Berlin, has removed Israeli products from the shelves following the European Union's decision to label Israeli products from the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel published on Friday, the store's spokewoman, Petra Fladenhofer said: "Only after fixing the labels, we'll return the products to our shelves." She did not elaborate on what kinds of products were pulled.

Haystack - 22 Nov 2015 13:33 - 6882 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-1.687546

U.S. Anthropologists Massively Back Boycott of Israel

American Anthropological Association vote goes 1,040 for, 136 against; association’s 12,000 members worldwide will now be asked to approve or reject decision.

patshere - 22 Nov 2015 13:40 - 6883 of 6906

Has israel joined the fight against ISIL ?

Fred1new - 22 Nov 2015 13:49 - 6884 of 6906

About 90 years ago!

Haystack - 22 Nov 2015 17:23 - 6885 of 6906

There are similarities between ISIL and Israel. ISIL wants to reestablish a Caliphate. There has been a Caliphate off and on in the region since the seventh century. The last one finished in 1912. It has become a driving ambition of Sunni Muslims to recreate a Caliphate. Israel is similarly driven to reestablish ancient Israel, not just where they are now but on all the land from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean. This is being done despite it currently being someone else's land. ISIL is attempting their plans with obvious violence. Israel is going about their land grab in a more subtle and devious manner coupled with as much violence as they can get away with as they are concerned with public opinion.

Haystack - 29 Nov 2015 15:29 - 6886 of 6906

n this day in 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted to partition Palestine between two newly created Arab and Jewish states while placing Jerusalem under a “special international regime.”

Passage of the resolution required a two-thirds majority -- not counting abstaining and absent members -- of the then 56-member assembly. When the crunch came, 33 delegations (72 percent) voted for partition, 13 voted against and 10 abstained.

Some wavering countries received a telegram signed by 26 U.S. senators seeking their support for the plan. At the time, the Senate was considering a foreign aid package that included $60 million for China, which abstained.

President Harry S. Truman later said: “The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me.”

The partition plan was never implemented because all Arab governments rejected it, arguing it violated the principles of national self-determination embedded in the U.N. charter.

After Israel declared its independence on May 15, 1948, the civil war between Arabs and Jews became an inter-state conflict as a combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine. The ensuing 10-month war ended with an armistice under which Israel retained not only the area demarcated by the partition plan but also nearly 60 percent of the land that the U.N. resolution had allocated to Palestinian Arabs. Other territory ended up in the hands of Jordan and Egypt.

Some 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from Israel, becoming refugees.

Gausie - 04 Dec 2015 17:25 - 6887 of 6906

Greg

How do you resolve the inner conflict and hypocrisy you must feel as an IT Technician when trying to promote a boycott of Israeli goods and services by making posts on a BB and website written in PHP and thereby contributing to profits for the Zend corporation and its Israeli founders, financial backers and technicians?

How does your cognitive process allow you to reach the conclusion that Israeli PHP from MAM is OK but Israeli tomatoes from Tesco are bad? Or do you prefer to brush such questions aside?

Stan - 04 Dec 2015 17:33 - 6888 of 6906

Well G, because he can buy tomatoes elsewhere.. but where on the net can he get so much high end, intellectual and stimulation conversation -):

Haystack - 04 Dec 2015 18:10 - 6889 of 6906

http://m.jpost.com/?Mobileid=1#article=6017RDg2NEUyMDlCM0U0RDY1NTAwNUFCOUJFQjJCRUU2MTU=

German foreign minister backs EU labels of Israeli settlement products

Germany’s foreign minister announced on Friday his ministry’s support for the European Union’s labeling of Israeli products from the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

In an email to The Jerusalem Post, the Foreign Ministry defended the EU label, saying it “does not deal with a stigmatized warning decal, as many have presented…What Brussels wants is, however, only a clear designation of the origin of the products.”

The Post sent a press query to German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (Social Democratic Party) asking if he was for or against EU guidelines marking products and whether he viewed the labeling system as a modern form of anti-Semitism.

The German Foreign Ministry added “there will not be an Israel boycott in Germany” and “Israeli products will, of course, continue to receive preferential market access.”

Steinmeir’s position appears to contradict Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s statement last month in which he praised “…the German government, which came out against product labeling.”

Israel’s National Infrastructure, Energy and Water Minister Yuval Steinitz termed the EU label measure “disguised anti-Semitism.”

The European Union says products made in settlements beyond the Green Line are incorrectly demarcated if they say “made in Israel.” The EU does not recognize the settlements as part of Israel proper.

Gausie - 04 Dec 2015 19:30 - 6890 of 6906

Haystack

I asked a question of you that, if you'd care to answer, really needs the tiniest bit of original thought and explanation from you. Perhaps when you've finished your latest round of mindless cut and paste you can ponder this question and perhaps give a reasoned and rational response:

How do you resolve the inner conflict and hypocrisy you must feel as an IT Technician when trying to promote a boycott of Israeli goods and services by making posts on a BB and website written in PHP and thereby contributing to profits for the Zend corporation and its Israeli founders, financial backers and technicians?

How does your cognitive process allow you to reach the conclusion that Israeli PHP from MAM is OK but Israeli tomatoes from Tesco are bad? Or do you prefer to brush such questions aside?

cynic - 04 Dec 2015 19:47 - 6891 of 6906

tesco??????
you mean jack and tessa cohen's corner shop?

Gausie - 04 Dec 2015 19:49 - 6892 of 6906

Lol. I hope Haystack's not frantically googling for an answer he could cut and paste. Google, of course, also uses PHP .....

Haystack - 04 Dec 2015 21:14 - 6893 of 6906

It is a question of choice. If there is a situation where I have a choice then I take that choice. I know there are times where my choice is limited or non existent but that does not stop me making a choice when I have one.

In particular, settlement goods are currently supplied fraudulently. They are labeled Israel, even though they come from across the Green Line in Palestine. When it comes to goods that are actually from 'Israel', the same applies as all of 'Israel' is in fact still Palestine and always will be.

Gausie - 04 Dec 2015 21:30 - 6894 of 6906

Hay - is Clem's Chamber not a valid alternative choice? Admittedly it's inferior to MAM, but don't claim there's no choice on BBs. Them's clearly the words of a hypocrite. I think what you're saying is 'I actively support the boycott where it suits me and campaign for others to support it better than I do'.

A fascinating insight into how your cognitive processes work fit together.

Haystack - 04 Dec 2015 21:43 - 6895 of 6906

It is not practical to avoid php as it is not obvious which sites use it. Avoiding it would have no impact on Israel which is the key purpose. BDS does have an impact on Israel. It affects them financially as increasing numbers of groups and countries boycott their goods. It affects them culturally as some musicians and artists avoid Israel. It affects them academically as large numbers of academics avoid Israeli institutions and will not cooperate and collaborate on projects or research. The overall effect tends to isolate Israel as an apartheid state. The BDS movement is growing albeit slowly.

Gausie - 05 Dec 2015 09:16 - 6896 of 6906

It is not practical to avoid php as it is not obvious which sites use it.

Let me help you with that. The url for this thread is "http://www.moneyam.com/TradersRoom/posts.php?tid=13642" See the bit in bold? That's your clue. Look out for it in future and avoid any such imperialist zionist occupier supporting sites, and perhaps you can then look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and say 'here stands a misguided but principled man'.

If a successful boycott believes it can earn a strategic win by closing down a west bank tomato farm and cause local unskilled palestinian bread winners to lose their menial jobs and meagre salaries with the nasty and oppressive imperialists who invested in the west bank economy and built the farm then the same logic must apply to boycotting and closing down those great big Zend R&D offices in the Tel Aviv suburb where the fat cat Israeli oppressor programmers earn their daily caviar. Except that boycotting the latter is inconvenient for a simple minded boycott hypocrite who prefers to bury his head in the sand than to support a logically consistent political position.

The Israeli economy earns a massive proportion of its exports through technology licensing deals - it earns hugely more, for example, on each of licenses for Android, IOS and Intel chips than it does on its entire salad export business. (I hope you're boycotting these technologies too - cos that would be logically consistent and really might make a difference to the Israeli economy)

Your facile 'smoked salmon socialist' argument is ill conceived and holds no water. Like dropping a teaspoonful of sugar into the ocean and saying 'behold - it is sweeter'.

G

Haystack - 05 Dec 2015 10:39 - 6897 of 6906

The settlement labeling is important for the publicity that it generates. The value of the sales is insignificant. The products can still be sold in the EU, but they have to show that they are coming from illegal settlements in an occupied country. The publicity maintains pressure on Israel and encourages other countries and institutions to think of Israel as a pariah state. The purpose is to isolate and delegitimise Israel.

If the BDS movement is so ineffectual, who does it worry you? Surely a pointless boycott movement would be ignored by you.

27 October 2015
Israel's arms sales are down heavily as countries refuse to trade with them. Companies are finding doing business with Israel causes problems for them in other countries.

Military exports drop from $7.5bn to $5.5bn
Industry leaders cite decline in willingness to purchase military products from Israel

Israeli military exports this year could decline to just 53% of their level in 2012 and “less desire for Israeli-made products” is a key factor, according to a letter from Israel’s four largest military companies.

Industry leaders are warning that military exports have steadily fallen since they reached $7.5bn in 2012. Sales in 2014 decline to $5.5bn and could drop to as low as $4bn this year, according to media reports about the letter.

The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement has been running highly visible campaigns against military trade with Israel that have seen 12 banks and pension funds exclude Israeli arms company Elbit Systems from their investment portfolio. Israeli owned arms factories have been blockaded, and a growing number of political parties and trade unions have called for an end to military ties with Israel.

The governments of Norway and Turkey have both announced military embargo policies against Israel in recent year.

Haystack - 05 Dec 2015 10:58 - 6898 of 6906

1 September 2015 — The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement and its worldwide partners are celebrating the withdrawal of the huge French corporation Veolia from the Jerusalem Light Rail (JLR), an illegal rail system built to facilitate the growth and expansion of Israeli colonial settlements on occupied Palestinian territory.

The sale of its stake in the JLR project ends all of Veolia’s involvement in the Israeli market, including all projects that violate international law and the human rights of the Palestinian people.

The sale follows an extensive 7-year boycott campaign against Veolia, due to its complicity in the Israeli occupation, which cost it tenders around the world estimated to be worth over $20 billion.

Veolia sold nearly all of its business operations in Israel in April 2015 but had until now remained a 5% shareholder in the JLR project. On Thursday evening, the human rights research group Who Profits reported that Veolia had liquidated its 5% share in the JLR project.

Under BDS pressure, Veolia has failed to win massive contracts with local authorities across Europe, the US and Kuwait. City councils across Europe have passed resolutions excluding the firm from tenders due to its involvement in Israeli human rights violations.
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