Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Interesting read max .

Yes. A good one, Max

Here's one of the most important bits:

There is a further problem. Brussels has spending commitments over and above the official budget, which at the end of 2016 stood at a massive €238bn. These are commitments incurred but not yet paid for, reste à liquider in the jargon.

It includes capital projects and various items such as future pension liabilities for Commission staff. This extra expenditure forms the basis for claims that the UK will have to pay an estimated €60billion as part of the Brexit settlement. Legal advice to a House of Lords sub-committee is that the UK has no liability for this amount, and given it was contracted without Britain’s explicit agreement, its status is certainly questionable. It also ignores the value of Britain’s property rights, accumulated during her membership.

If Britain successfully argues that it has no liability, or at least a significantly lesser one, a funding crisis for the Commission seems certain to ensue. But the imperative in Brussels is to continually expand in order not to lose its reforming momentum, so cutting back has never been on anyone’s agenda, and no one knows where to start.

Brexit: UK could be asked to pay €100bn divorce bill

http://news.sky.com/story/eu-could-demand-8364100bn-brexit-divorce-bill-10861192

This fight is going to be quite frightening, IMHO.

- for us if we resist paying it.

- for the EU if they don't get it. They have spent money like pouring water.

I'm glad we are getting out, which is what my family voted for, because the EU wasn't being run democratically.

i wonder if fred will pick up on the fact that there has been no true democracy since athenian times .... and even that had its flaws

Democracy is fine.

It is the corrupt Bs. who misuse it are the problem.

Other problems are "true values", or what we "truly" value and they vary in opinion from one person to another.

bit like radical muslims and the q'ran then :-)

I was thinking of the Crosby handbook given to Maybe at party meetings in No 10.

you're too blinkered :-)

Is that Bing Crosby again .

The EU owe the UK GBP 274 billion.

Who worked that out for you Diane Abbott ???

:}

The Kipper and Brexiters' position.

Did you get up early just for that .

Did I hear correctly yesterday that the EU wants its citizens living here after Brexit to be governed by EU law not UK ?

Which is why she hasn't jumped the gun and said they can all stay ,all this needs negotiating
All these bloody lefties jumping up and down screaming that we should just say everyone can stay .
While the EU seem intent on making anything difficult .

re - All these bloody lefties

Who are they?

Jeremy Corbyn
Diane Abbott
the Greeks
the French
and anyone opposing the Brexit

Zara (1)
(1)But did you know Zara has outlet stores in Europe? The stores are called Lefties—inspired by the word “leftovers”

Why DO so many Lefties loathe this country?
‘England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In Left-wing circles it is always felt there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every British institution.’

How Many People are Left Handed?
Roughly 12% of the world is left handed.

Hi Dil,


KidA - 03 May 2017 13:36 - 6911 of 6919 edit this post
The EU owe the UK GBP 274 billion.
Dil [Send an email to Dil] [View Dil's profile] - 03 May 2017 20:29 - 6912 of 6919
Who worked that out for you Diane Abbott ???

The figure is from the same place the 27 got their number, thin air's back passage. Diane Abbott was too busy with her new job at Arsenal; hired when she convinced Wenger she could secure Messi for GBP 100,000.

Cheers,
KidA

If I were to play Steve Davis at snooker, me making bad shots would almost certainly lower the standard of the game. Instead of me going up to his level, he would have to come down to mine.

eg. I'd probably scatter the reds all over the table, thereby completely removing his ability to make a maximum break and pot 15 blacks after potting 15 reds.

In other words, if I played him, I'd have to convert Steve Davis into 'a Leftie'. That's what lefties do. They believe in taking 'everyone's game' down to a lower standard. Then they say, 'That's fair.'

Allowing someone to be better than someone else is not what lefties are about. They don't like it. Lefties have to knock down and prevent ascension up.

Of course, just as in any other walk of life, you probably get hypocritical lefties. I suppose Tony Blair is one. Indeed, the political ranks of 'lefties' are full of them.