Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Just in:

The British economy needs a net inward migration flow of 200,000 people a year, double the Conservative target, if it is to avoid the “catastrophic economic consequences” linked to Brexit, a study by an employer-backed thinktank has said.

The Global Future report says the UK’s low productivity, ageing population and shortage of labour in key areas, such as the NHS, show that net migration of 200,000 will be needed annually.

The report, backed by three employer groups, criticises Labour and the Conservatives for refusing to be honest with the British public about the level of migration the UK requires. It warns that if the UK refuses to be flexible about its sources of labour, it could face a decade of slow growth similar to that of the Japanese economy.

The Global Future report ? Did they predict the BREXIT vote, another bunch of expert's.

Lies - damn lies - and statistics, which are the more accurate? Perhaps it may be wise to improve the low productivity and reduce the burden on the NHS by not becoming the International Health Service.
By the way, I don't see immigration as the root of the NHS problem, quite the opposite, since most EU workers are relatively young and fit and many serve in the health care system. They do exacerbate the schooling and housing problems however but on balance I prefer people that want to roll up their sleeves and work to those fat asses who remain at home and demand benefits so they can go to Torremolinas and get pissed.

Theresa and the tory party instead of lying through their teeth about immigration are preparing for the future.

Low wage paid economy pandering to visitors from the EU and the rest of the World.

Turning London and the banks of the Thames into the new Torremolinos.

But let's be pragmatic, we can make a buck or two and live in France like Nigel Lawson.

If they stopped the near million on zero hours contracts, and untold numbers
on temporary contracts, and offered these people the chance of going on health
training courses, and other such jobs that we are told the British won't do,
there wouldn't be a need for so many immigrants from abroad...But as we all
know its been western governments plans all along to bring in cheap labour to
the detriment of indigenous workers, and that goes in particularly to the Labour
party who opened the floodgates.

GB - so how much extra would you like to pay for the end product to induce indigenous brits to take these jobs in the leisure and hotel sectors?
there are of course plenty of other sectors, but the above will do for now

From 2004 when the EU expended a lot of UK employment agencies went
straight out to countries like Poland/Slovakia/Lithuania, etc, etc, etc and
advertised directly in those countries for workers to come to the UK, thus
bypassing the UK workforce, simply because they were cheaper and would
work longer hours without overtime rates been paid..

How do you think the Hotel and leisure sectors managed before this mass
open free movement, the same as the farmers and every other seasonal
work..

And if these businesses can't afford to pay a decent wage they should not be
in business...The same with those who say wages should be(living wage)of at
least 10 pounds an hour, these would be extra cost and have to come from
somewhere, usually by putting the price up, I can do without running on a trad
mill by jogging round the park, or push ups on a park bench..

that was not the question i asked

an increase in payroll costs will almost certainly need to be passed on to the end user
so i ask again, how much extra would you be prepared to pay for your coffee or sandwich or hotel room?

Most hospitality companies charge what they think they can get away with,
and thats all the better for the owners if they can get cheap labour from abroad,
and that includes not paying overtime rates.

As to your question..I will NOT pay exorbitant prices and will do without, or if
desperate certainly shop around..

ah, so you don't mind the employer having to pay more as long as it does not impact on what you have to pay

what sort of margin do you think a restaurant or take-away makes?
as i'm sure you don't know, the answer is very little and that is why their mortality rate is so high

And here's me thinking it was the dodgy food that was to blame... :-)

So true. Sooooooo true.

the cockroaches give added free protein and texture :-)

I don't give a shit, the only reason there is a surplus of taxi drivers is because
they work a certain amount hours then claim working tax benefits, its all a con.

The same as those mag sellers on town centre street corners, claim to be self
employed then claim the working tax benefits..

The whole systems a merry go-round...Payed for by the taxpayers..

I bet cynics one of those who think these quango's that cost the taxpayer
BILLIONS are a productive part of society..LMAO!

Crunchy!

GB - you seem to have an even shorter attention span than me ..... clearly you cannot concentrate on an issue that you yourself raise for more than 2 paras

btw, i assume you have solid evidence of all these bogus benefit claims that you allege and will be passing names and other identifying info to the relevant authority

They already know you fool..These so called self employed supply the desired
details to the benefits offices...And we've had this argument before the referendum
and i made a fool of you then and i have no problem doing the same again..

And what the frick are you talking about 'attention span'..FOOL!!..

please do so by supplying names and identities .... i certainly don't recollect you actually doing so earlier, though you have assuredly blathered enough about it