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Planestation (Ex Wiggins Group plc) (PTG)     

Socrates - 10 Jan 2004 10:34

Time now for all us Wiggins watchers to move with the times and start using Planestation, the new company identity. The name Wiggins Group plc has now disappeared from the database at Companies House and Planestation is now listed on the LSE website.

So fellow travellers, forget Wiggins, the name of the game is now PLANESTATION. Lets hope it goes like an express train.

Orson Carter - 15 Jul 2004 17:46 - 698 of 1086

Sorry!

Fundamentalist - 15 Jul 2004 17:58 - 699 of 1086

One crossing and 2 late trades of 22m all at 6.15p - any thoughts ?

Orson - are you saying sorry because you sold 22m shares?

Orson Carter - 15 Jul 2004 18:15 - 700 of 1086

No, no, just for having edited some wrong thoughts I posted originally a few moments before.

I think we have just a buy of exactly 22 mln at 6.15p, worked over some considerable time (days, at least - explains the mopping-up). Obtained by the buyer from a MM who has been on the offer throughout, who - by prior arrangement - has acquired them from a MM who has been on the bid throughout.
Mmmmmm.

But what is this 16:09 trade in the warrants - 24mln + @ 0.80p? Not in Cum Vol and not reported on other feeds?

optomistic - 16 Jul 2004 12:18 - 701 of 1086

Come back into PTG this morning, and now oh heck someone has just sold 5 million, perhaps he has made an error of judgement!! couldn't be me (famous last words) the price has held firm perhaps someone is soaking up the stock here. Quiet on the news front lately, should be something about Liverpool soon, it is overdue.

optomistic - 16 Jul 2004 14:20 - 702 of 1086

My trade not recorded in the 'trades'. Broker must be either taking a position or matching orders, either way it shows that the trades recorded do not always reflect a true picture. Not that my trade will make any difference!!

Socrates - 16 Jul 2004 18:39 - 703 of 1086

News on the BIP:

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/business/news.asp?article_id=15733

optomistic - 16 Jul 2004 19:57 - 704 of 1086

Socs, thanks for the news, as you are aware when the BIP is open and active then cargo throughput will increase significantly, after that its the passengers that are needed, hope they don't get too tied up in racecourse developments,(not the passengers) that could IMO become somewhat of a distraction. Has any indication been given as to the opening of the BIP and have you heard any more about the Liverpool disposal?
Unrelated subject but did you receive my email re stock selection?

Socrates - 17 Jul 2004 09:50 - 705 of 1086

Optomistic
What I found most interesting was the piece about the new customer, United Arabian Airlines, that may lead to more opportunities because of their links with other carriers. They have a small website:

http://www.uaa.com/

optomistic - 17 Jul 2004 10:08 - 706 of 1086

Small website, large business, could be a major move forward for PTG and explain some stock firmness this week.
Notice that the sells were soaked up nicely, dealers lowered the bid towards the end but kept the offer high. I take that as being quite positive, may have read that wrong, if so would be pleased to read any other views.
opto

hlyeo98 - 18 Jul 2004 10:14 - 707 of 1086

Planestation FY losses widen on lack of property disposals


LONDON (AFX) - Planestation Group PLC reported a widening in its post-exceptional pretax losses during a full year to March which the company described as a turning point for PlaneStation.

It said it is now "better placed financially, structurally and strategically" to move forward.

It reported a pretax loss after exceptional charges of 17.0 mln stg compared with 12.8 mln, on turnover of 12.2 mln stg compared with 38.1 mln.

It said the increased losses were due to the absence of property disposals in the current year and a number of one-off charges.

Property sales were just 1.8 mln in this financial year compared with 32.1 mln in 2002/03 and this resulted in a property operating loss of 8.1 mln stg in the current financial year.

The company also said it may seek other parties to consider joint ventures or partnerships.

newsdesk@afxnews.com

apple - 20 Jul 2004 16:47 - 708 of 1086

hlyeo98

That info was out a couple of weeks ago, any idea why the drop today?

Socrates - 20 Jul 2004 18:04 - 709 of 1086

optomistic
Actually it's small website small business, they own 3 planes apparently, Two AN12's and a DC8. Real old bangers those AN12's, wonderful beasties, here have a look:

http://www.oldprops.f9.co.uk/Antonov%20An12.htm

optomistic - 20 Jul 2004 18:47 - 710 of 1086

Socs you have now shattered my view of UAL. I was firmly convinced that a company from that part of the world would be well equiped and moving large quantities of freight.
AN12's and a ........DC8 is that a Dakota? if it is I didn't realise they were still flying 'over the water'
Ah well looks like I will have to wait a while longer before I get my beamer.
Point to note the DC8 will be airbourne before you get to your top speed, so don't forget to keep your flaps
in neutral :-))

Socrates - 20 Jul 2004 19:49 - 711 of 1086

optomistic
I think you are talking about the DC3 Dakota, this is a DC8:

http://www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20mcd%20dc-8.htm

optomistic - 20 Jul 2004 22:20 - 712 of 1086

Thank you Socrates, that one looks much different to the one I had in mind!!

eddiedocherty - 20 Jul 2004 23:45 - 713 of 1086

The (renewed) application for the racecourse has been published on the Redbridge Council Website.
I have copied the listing and a link below.
Now dont get carried away Im not saying the racecourse plans have been approved (not yet but when they are approved you will hear me shout about it).
But I am definitely saying that the (revised) plans will be re-considered by the council.
Good luck
Eddie


App.No:
1800/04
Location:
Fairlop Waters Country Park, Forest Road, Fairlop Plain, Hainault
Redevelopment of the land at Fairlop Waters to provide an all weather racecourse, stables and grandstand (the latter to include
space for ancillary facilities for health & fitness uses, relocation of the existing children's play centre, lakeside restaurant and
bar use plus accommodation for media equipment and bicycle storage). Golf driving range and existing boatyard uses to be retained and relocated. Other existing uses comprising cycle track, sailing club, sailing lake, fishing lake and Country Park are to retained. The proposals also comprise alterations to the public highway for pedestrians and vehicles, parking for cars and coaches, internal estate roads and landscaping.
Copies of plans can be viewed at: FULLWELL CROSS LIBRARY

Deposit Date:
14-Jul-2004
Ward
Aldborough

Applicant:
Planestation Group PLC
35, Berkeley Square,
London.
W1X 5DA
http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/files/publications/2884.pdf

apple - 21 Jul 2004 10:23 - 714 of 1086

A very informative post as always.

Many thanks Eddie!

Clickable link
http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/files/publications/2884.pdf

ptholden - 01 Aug 2004 17:36 - 715 of 1086

PTG seemed to be on the way up slowly, but now drifting down again.
Any one have any views on this comment?
From the Mail on SUnday; PLANESTATION (state-owned airlines in eastern Europe vying to use Kent International Airport, according to Martin May, the new chief executive of airport owner Planestation)

Regards

PTH

Fundamentalist - 01 Aug 2004 18:19 - 716 of 1086

PTH

An interesting development if it proves to be true. IMO any volume of traffic for manston in the short term has to be good news.

With regards to your oher thread - BBs the double edged sword, this share is a classic example of people with other agendas. I am not referring to this board where i believe all postrs are genuine investors but on ADVFN where you have 3 types of posters: recent investors, long term investors of when it was Wiggins, most of who have lost a lot of money and people who live close to the airport and hence want the company to fail as they dont want to live on the flight path. If you are thinking of investing in PTG there is a lot of history from the old Wiggins days, through the refinancing and then the ousting of CEO Oliver Iny to he recent deal with EUJet. Currently the company is undergoing a lot of change and is very difficult to value fundamentally. Putting a value on some of the assets (airports, LFG, london city etc) is very difficult and the company is currently still loss making and buning cash, which will need to be offset with asset sales (LFG should hopefully be completed soon). The strategy of May is still not overly clear and the dismissal of Iny still needs to be fully ratified.

I invested when the shares were about 4p on the basis of undervalued assets and continue to hold as I still feel they are undervalued in the long term. The success of manston is going to be key to turning the company profitable and this will be a huge challenge, though if successful will see a huge increase in the shareprice.

Hope this quick summary is of help to you but as usual DYOR, especially with this share!

ptholden - 01 Aug 2004 19:57 - 717 of 1086

Fundamentalist

Many thanks for your view, I bought PTG a while ago at just under 5p, I had made my mind up to sell sooner rather than later as I cannot see the SP rising in the short term, although long term may be a different story. I'll wait and see what happens tomorrow and decide then. I can perhaps but back in later.

Thanks again

regards

PTH
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