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Take a look at Cenes Pharmacy (CEN)     

Gantenbrink - 02 Oct 2003 13:58

Positive results the other day but price has dropped. Looks cheap now. DYOR

ajren - 11 Oct 2003 18:02 - 7 of 18

We - myself included - should have bought i.e.followed Gattenbrink.They
immediately-a few days-rose to 5.875.We all got into terrible comments over
penny shares b4 so perhaps we can just comment on the share this time Rgds ajren

ajren - 11 Oct 2003 21:34 - 8 of 18

Sorry-mistake above.
I meant to add that obviously the gain is less than 34.40 because of Spread+
Generally,ALL my figures have to be adjusted but I never go into detailed
figures,etc writing these e.g.my 42 per cent profit on Corus was fractionally
less-41.23.Similarly,Morgan Stanleys 1,500,000 euro profit:700 per cent:was
proportionally less.
Also,90/95per cent of shares at 2.50/3.00 are good buys is obviously completely
excessive.If I had the time-and I do not-I would study all shares in this
price range.I know most of you keep away from these price shares.I am only
saying what I would do.I am Irish but live in Spain.In case the weather is
bad where you live and you want a holiday in a hot place.Perhaps you would like
to know we have had terrible thunderstorms and non-stop rain here for the
last few days.rgds.ajren

zzaxx99 - 12 Oct 2003 16:02 - 9 of 18

shares at 2.50/3.00 are good buys because there is almost no downside

Have to say that I think that statement is dangerously misleading. Consider: company X trades at 100/102 and you buy 1000; company Y trades at 3/3.5 and you buy 1000. Both companies issue a profit warning: Company X declines to 50/52; company Y goes to 1.5/2. The value of you holding in company X is now 500, whereas the value of your holding in company Y is now... 500.

I agree that the number of pence that a low-priced company can decline is limited, but in the vast majority of cases, that's irrelevant - it's the percentage difference between buy and sell that's important, not the number of pence (the exception being if you're spreadbetting at N/point, which you probably aren't on 3p/share companies). At 3p, a company can still decline 100%!

(Sorry ajren, I'm not looking to pick fights with you - we're just on opposing sides of a couple of disagreements)

zzaxx99 - 12 Oct 2003 16:05 - 10 of 18

A couple of other points (1) it's CeNeS pharmaceuticals, not pharmacy

(2) They had a number of good prospects (I haven't followed them for a couple of years, so don't know what the current situation is), but royally screwed over their shareholders about 18 months to 2 years ago with a deal that came close to wrecking the company.

They may now be a good prospect, but caveat emptor

ajren - 13 Oct 2003 18:44 - 11 of 18

Hi zzaxx99,
Great to read your letters. DELIGHTED to read opposite views so as I get a
balance.Fights are in the past as none of us enjoy negative emotions and
they distract us from the goal of making money.

Perhaps my way needs explanation.
Most/all of you might think it idiotic but I make money.
I know I keep referring to Corus but I have written a lot about it so I will
continue.
ALL my figures here are ALWAYS approx
I bought at 8 and sold at 14
I,after considerable research,concluded that the downside risk was low and
the upside huge.I was waiting for 20p but decided-incorrectly-to exit.
I buy a share,make a profit and get out quickly.
........
Wiggins-as mentioned b4.They are 4.75 and I have 250,000.I have researched
them in great detail.My hope is they go up and I pocket a nice profit.However,
maybe they will go down.
I -sometimes-like Corus buy/sell in blocks of e.g.30,000 as it is often quite
easy to see a trend of up/down and then make the 15 second decisions.
rgds to all and hope we make money

ckmtang - 14 Oct 2003 20:19 - 12 of 18

any further though of this compnay it drop a bit today? is it cheap to buy it now? It around 7.5p

ajren - 15 Oct 2003 10:21 - 13 of 18

Good morning all.Please read my messages of Oct 2 and 4.i.e.I would have
bought as speculation @ 3.50 - now they are 100 per cent up.I did not buy
as no info.I am not interested in anything e.g.percentages.I buy a share at
x pence at sell at y pence.I would have bought at 3.5p as a calculated risk.
The company was not going into liquidation and was basically healthy enough
to support 2.00 p at the worst.Therefore,risk 1.5 p and upside @ 3.50p huge.The
general City consensus is that it is cheap at 7.5pHowever,I have no interest
as I lost a lot in Pfitzers which I bought at 32 dollors a share-Not penny
share. I now never buy pharmaceuticals - apart from speculative above.
Always remember the more it - any share-rises the greater the downside and
less upside.I suggest no one buys it.However,I think it will go up a lot.

tonyosb - 15 Oct 2003 14:44 - 14 of 18



ajren, good spot in the first place.

However I am slightly confused by your last post, especially the "I suggest no one buys it", followed by "I think it will go up a lot"!

Also a good guide to fall back prices can be the amount of cash in such companies. With approx 8m in the bank this equates to approx 4p per share, so I think your 2p per share is a little on the low side.

The biotech sector seems to be recovering. More mergers and a few success stories in Alizyme and Acambis. Also article in the FT today about sector showing signs of life.

ajren - 15 Oct 2003 22:57 - 15 of 18

ckmtang - 15 Oct 2003 23:24 - 16 of 18

so does it mean now is not worth to buy to take a risk?

ajren - 16 Oct 2003 13:50 - 17 of 18

ajren - 16 Oct 2003 16:27 - 18 of 18

7.62p now
100+ per cent rise had I bought @ 3.5 p.This and Corus are typical of my
speculative buy - minimum downside/high upside - trading.However,I - like
everyone - back losers e.g.Rolls-Royce 6 months ago.I had bought for different
reasons.I made a small loss.If I had waited I would have made a huge profit.
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