Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Macron what a stupid name , i keep thinking of a cash and carry outfit when i see it .

re - Germany will never allow it

Germany is the only one benefiting from the Union

why?
1 - Has the strongest economy with the best companies, and with the same currency the rest can not compete.

2 - No wonder that for years now, has a huge surplus balance of payment

3 - Germany’s current account surplus is out of control and very destabilizing for the rest of the EU

Lets Face facts...Germany has always wanted to rule Europe...Now they do....

Well is today the day at last or is something going to surface , i wonder .

David Davis is at it now so let's hope things pan out quietly and positively , please .

Dave is the best man for the job.

Yea. Bring back, Cameron.

The American Student who was jailed by the N Koreans has died , a week after being released , when you read what is believed they did to him for supposedly pinching a sign
makes your hair curl , and people talk about Guantanamo Bay .

Two wrongs don't make a right!

That confirms to me you are a total waste of space dear Freda .

...... but two Fredas and one wants to VOMIT

Meanwhile, Boris is on manoeuvre's ..


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/exclusive-boris-johnson-allies-say-david-davis-old-become-tory/

Davis does have a good sense of humour and is less blathering than Boris. Both could do with a decent haircut however.

DD presents very well and intelligently
saw him on tv about a week ago and was duly impressed

On the question of age, both Davis and Corbyn are 68. Davis looks good for his age while Corbyn looks like Albert Steptoe in a charity shop suit. Reagan was almost 70 when he was inaugurated and he didn't do a bad job for the following 8 years.

churchill was 65 at the outbreak of WW2

More on the tower block fire...it would seem that there is more to it than labour would like to admit.

This from Franceys across the road:


go to BBC iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tvj7c



It was Nick Ross (Crimewatch person I think) who is chair of something like The Kensington Society. He was quite understanding and reasonable and has been campaigning for 15 years to get sprinklers put into social housing. He was recruited to this cause all those years ago by fire chiefs who wanted this and who saw he had been successful previously with a road safety campaign.

In 2009 Ross was turned down by the then Labour Government minister (a certain Sadiq Khan) when he had a meeting with him to request sprinkler installation in social housing tower blocks.
Apparently it costs £1200 per flat - the same as fitted carpets.

15 mins 45 secs - 16 mins 10 seconds into the News at One Radio 4 is around the time to listen, 19.06.2017.

JUST IMAGINE if such a request had been turned down by a Tory minister, say Boris, who was say currently the Mayor of London!! The Martha Kearneys of this world would be examining Boris's guts by now with a microscope. As is it they have all gone completely quiet and I only picked up this snippet by hearing it while passing at work and as a throw-away piece on News at One.

political party games and point scoring should be nothing to do with this tragedy, though unfortunately it has inevitably gone that way

there is no question that refurb costs have been sharply pruned, not only by rbk&c in this instance, but across 100's and probably 1000's of other similar projects whether hospitals, tower blocks, schools or whatever

while "rolls royce" is not expected, sprinkler systems (and properly operational fire doors) are real basics especially in hospitals and high density housing
failure to fit sprinklers even retroactively is unforgivable but apparently common practice

the cladding question is slightly different
if the cladding used was indeed still deemed acceptable in uk - it matters not what usa regs are or were - then it is hard to condemn the contractors for so doing

Come off it c, Jezza was in like Flynn and making political capital like the best of em.

Was this the reason khan got the elbow from the people when he visited the site?

as mentioned before, i cannot bear to watch

anyway, the point i was making was apolitical