Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Can't argue about that. The migrants were encouraged by ships standing by to pick them up and take them to their destination. Including British but not Polish or Hungarian. Let the EU take "proceedings". The alternative is clear to see in the rest of the EU.

hungary currently has a pretty scary far-right gov't
don't know where poland sits in that respect


European Union announced this week that it would begin proceedings to punish ......
if that is indeed true and it may well be, the it shows how little brussels bureaucrats have listened or are even willing to hear from their members

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fred - not quite fair i know, but it is an indicator (rather than a true example) of exactly why i voted "out" - ie i saw it as the only way to get brussels' attention

I always found walking away from a discussion when I wanted to influence the outcome was the best way to deal with problems.

Showed "grown up responsible behaviour", or was it "that will show "em"" adolescent behaviour of those with poor arguments.

I always found walking away from a discussion when I wanted to influence the outcome was the best way to deal with problems.

Showed "grown up responsible behaviour", or was it "that will show "em"" adolescent behaviour of those with poor arguments?

that's a rubbish argument in this particular :-)

Lib Dems: 12 seats
DUP: 10 seats

Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader recently resigned the Leadership. Vince Cable, won back a seat at the Election and is 'up for it' to lead the party once again.

Let's hope he gets it. Vince has also said, that he is NOT going to be bound to follow Farron's vow NOT to do a deal with the Tories. I feel Vince might well be up for a Tory deal, particularly for a cabinet position.

Thoughts anyone?

that would certainly piss off corbyn :-)
i rate vince cable too, even though he doesn't work too well on the box

And pigs might fly.

I like Cable and majority of his views (which I know of) and think he will make a good leader of the Lib/Dems and might restore the party's following and support.

However, any "deal" with the "tories" would be the final nail in his party's coffin.

That does not mean he and his party will not support the policy votes in HP if they are agreeable to them.

But what policies do the tories have. The party is more split than in Major or Cameron's day, and the majority of the con MPS are not neofascists, but some who are trying to control the direction of the con party are.

Interesting to watch the tories tear themselves apart.


A bit like foxhunting!

and the labour party behind closed doors for a change

Fred, you bang on about being at discussions in order to influence decisions, Cameron tried and failed with his few meagre requests. There is no reasoning with Brussels you either do as they say or you get punished. Why would any country want to be part of that club.

27 other countries at the moment.

Plus a few who would wish to.

Life is give and take.

But the EU sees the UK as look, bluster, and attempt to take.

27 at the moment but for how long? You obviously have inside knowledge regarding how the EU sees the UK.

Doesn't seem likely that we will get much of a Brexit now.

Well, Well, Well!

How much has it cost so far?

Include the vanity general election and farcical referendum.

Tory Political shenanigans on the public purse to save faces. Which have failed.

Probably about £5million Plus without considering the devaluation of the pound, lost contracts and lack of R and D and future investments.

B. Crazy.

The present lot not fit to run a roadside cafe leave alone negotiations in Brussels or govern a country.

Far better to have our country run by supporters of terrorism eh! Fred

What cost a Marxist government, ask the population of Venezuela.

All going to plan eh Haystack?

In total, £39m was spent by a total of 57 parties and 23 non-party campaigners in the run-up to the 2015 election.

Elections come with plenty of of associated costs. The administrative network needed to staff thousands of polling stations and process millions of votes is vast.

In general elections or referenda, when the network needs to cover the whole country, the bill can stretch into nine figures. The 2010 General Election is thought to have cost the taxpayer £113m, while £142m was spent holding the EU referendum last June.

I think or didn't that I left out a few 000000s.

But it looks as if the tories have been caught fiddling during the last General election.

What will they do for the "cause" and excuse themselves afterwards?
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-inside-the-secretive-tory-election-call-centre


22 JUN 2017 Politics
Revealed: Inside the secretive Tory election call centre

The Conservative Party contracted a secretive call centre during the election campaign which may have broken data protection and election laws, a Channel 4 News investigation has found.