Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Suggest you listen on ? bbc ipod to John Major on negotiation in the EU. From memory, I think he suggested the UK proposals (in various forms) were accepted 90% of the time.

I would think that is better than Cameron gets in the HP and Lords, after counting in his u-turns.

The EU attempts to be a "democracy", to give the right to about 12% of its population to veto decisions is the abuse of the majority, by the minority.

(One of the reasons the UN is seen as ineffective and failing so often.)

Think i'm going to listen to John Major do you , EU a democracy eh .

Of course, you can remain deaf as well as blind.

EU, it attempts to be a democracy.

Similar to the UK.


The problem is the people which it has to deal often behaving like spoilt kids.

Democracy can be fine when "governing" a small "group", but difficult in practice when addressing a large group of individuals with competing interests.

I always liked committees of one.

Democracy can be fine when " governing " a small " group " , you mean like Britain on it's own ? . And you want us to stay in a massive getting even more massive ungovernable mass as is the EU . PARDON .

I was taught that problems can be difficult, but not necessarily insurmountable.

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Freda you can have Monday off if you want OK .

I've just realised that I may have wasted my time this morning .

I hope you have been paid appropriately!

Oh my God, if we leave the EU no more entry into the Eurovision Contest? Don't know how we will cope.

Fred, why don't you hold a seance then you can ask Lloyd George his opinion along with DeGaulle? You clueless left wing Muppet :0)

Even Israel is in the Eurovision Song Contest.

Well this Weather Lady hasn't done it yet. Have you?

The wonderful thing about a democracy is we all get only one vote. Unfortunately we have to listen to the usual gobshits before we get to cast it.

I am looking for a rebound for all Gbp fx crosses as the prospect of Britx passes.

Everything comes down to economics in the end. We stay in.

Wrong thread, get back to the "winging" Ref one.

"The wonderful thing about democracy is we all get one vote.
Unfortunately we have to listen to the usual gobshits before we get to cast it"

Yes that's correct in a democracy we all get one vote, but that does not
follow to the corridors of power in Brussels, and having to listen to any
objections isn't a problem in the commitee rooms of the plush offices at
EU HQ.....Because the commissioners don't allow anyone to be in attendance when they
make their 'collective' unaccountable decisions.

Some people eh grannyboy .

.. yeah some people.

Looks like someones been let out early .

Granny boy

Thought I heard someone on the radio say about 90% of EU decisions made, our representatives agreed with. We do have some opt outs. Do we not have our own commissioners?

As it always comes down to economics in the end I vote in. Politics I'm only 50/50.

For too many years we have tried to operate with one foot in and one foot out. After the vote has settled it, our politicians will engage more meaningful with Europe. I hope!

Yes you certainly have.

will - i know i've said it several times, but unless the eu hierarchy is given a serious fright they will remain in their cocoon with no interest whatsoever in meaningful let alone root and branch reform ..... it is this, and especially the latter that is required