Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Even Israel is in the Eurovision Song Contest.

Well this Weather Lady hasn't done it yet. Have you?

The wonderful thing about a democracy is we all get only one vote. Unfortunately we have to listen to the usual gobshits before we get to cast it.

I am looking for a rebound for all Gbp fx crosses as the prospect of Britx passes.

Everything comes down to economics in the end. We stay in.

Wrong thread, get back to the "winging" Ref one.

"The wonderful thing about democracy is we all get one vote.
Unfortunately we have to listen to the usual gobshits before we get to cast it"

Yes that's correct in a democracy we all get one vote, but that does not
follow to the corridors of power in Brussels, and having to listen to any
objections isn't a problem in the commitee rooms of the plush offices at
EU HQ.....Because the commissioners don't allow anyone to be in attendance when they
make their 'collective' unaccountable decisions.

Some people eh grannyboy .

.. yeah some people.

Looks like someones been let out early .

Granny boy

Thought I heard someone on the radio say about 90% of EU decisions made, our representatives agreed with. We do have some opt outs. Do we not have our own commissioners?

As it always comes down to economics in the end I vote in. Politics I'm only 50/50.

For too many years we have tried to operate with one foot in and one foot out. After the vote has settled it, our politicians will engage more meaningful with Europe. I hope!

Yes you certainly have.

will - i know i've said it several times, but unless the eu hierarchy is given a serious fright they will remain in their cocoon with no interest whatsoever in meaningful let alone root and branch reform ..... it is this, and especially the latter that is required

Cynic

I'm no supporter of any hierarchy, and correct me where I'm wrong, The EU commission does the day to day running of the eu and drafts legislation that the EU council and EU parliament vote on. Surely we get to vote for our MEPs and have our reps on the EU council. Surely we can lobby and form groupings with other countries MEPs. We do get to vote don't we. Is that not democratic?

as far as i can determine, for any meaningful = fundamental change, there has to be unanimous agreement by all 28 nations
as you'll never get that (for obvious reasons), nothing of any consequence will ever be changed (for the better of uk!)

Cynic

I stand corrected then. I thought the EU council and EU parliament had to approve all legislation. Didn't think vote had to be unanimous. You sure?

no i'm not sure, but i think this was exactly the problem DC ran into when he tried to even get his minor agenda of reform

hays is usually au fait with this sort of thing

Read this then it's all in here http://www.gr2014parliament.eu/Portals/6/PDFFILES/NA0113090ENC_002.pdf

would read but the link seems to be corrupt - along with eu i dare say :-)

No it isn't, try again.

still crashes .... even c+p'ed the link

Will the UK take up the Euro? Will it move closer from an administration point of view? The EU/Europa is a vision of Europe, it isn't Europe, and in or out, it isn't one the UK will be following; it won't be tying the knot. To that end the relationship is over; sometimes even though you love each other, you have to move on.

Cheers,
KidA