Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic

I'm no supporter of any hierarchy, and correct me where I'm wrong, The EU commission does the day to day running of the eu and drafts legislation that the EU council and EU parliament vote on. Surely we get to vote for our MEPs and have our reps on the EU council. Surely we can lobby and form groupings with other countries MEPs. We do get to vote don't we. Is that not democratic?

as far as i can determine, for any meaningful = fundamental change, there has to be unanimous agreement by all 28 nations
as you'll never get that (for obvious reasons), nothing of any consequence will ever be changed (for the better of uk!)

Cynic

I stand corrected then. I thought the EU council and EU parliament had to approve all legislation. Didn't think vote had to be unanimous. You sure?

no i'm not sure, but i think this was exactly the problem DC ran into when he tried to even get his minor agenda of reform

hays is usually au fait with this sort of thing

Read this then it's all in here http://www.gr2014parliament.eu/Portals/6/PDFFILES/NA0113090ENC_002.pdf

would read but the link seems to be corrupt - along with eu i dare say :-)

No it isn't, try again.

still crashes .... even c+p'ed the link

Will the UK take up the Euro? Will it move closer from an administration point of view? The EU/Europa is a vision of Europe, it isn't Europe, and in or out, it isn't one the UK will be following; it won't be tying the knot. To that end the relationship is over; sometimes even though you love each other, you have to move on.

Cheers,
KidA

Think €urovision song contest.

A carve up between net receiver countries (benefits) No way will they vote down the free quids from sproutland.

Try this one then http://europa.eu/about-eu/index_en.htm

Transparent and democratic institutions
As it continues to grow, the EU remains focused on making its governing institutions more transparent and democratic. More powers are being given to the directly elected European Parliament, while national parliaments are being given a greater role, working alongside the European institutions. In turn, European citizens have an ever-increasing number of channels for taking part in the political process.

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believe that and you'll believe anything

Yes just ask Merkel .

Well isn't that the typical response from the "don't know and don't want to know" brigade.

well i certainly know how i'm voting and have said so several times, as well as stated the result i'ld like to see

That is beside my point. fixed thoughts from start to finish you lot.

no ..... i started as very much undecided with a strong tendency towards "in" but having heard and read plenty, i am now decided to vote "out"

Yes that's as maybe but you still appear "fixed".

i am now, but i also know my logic for voting "out" - and have stated why too many times already

Fixed it is then.