ellio
- 15 May 2006 09:10
The market seems to be selling-off on the back of limited bad news imo, apart from the dollar that is.
If you can hold your nerve and apart from any short term requirements to offload poor performing stocks, I have a couple!!, my advice would be sit tight. This does not have the feel of the tech(mining!) bubble at all. Difference being there are a lot of good fundamentals, unlike in 2000 when there were a lot of over rated nothing companies.
HARRYCAT
- 26 Jul 2007 22:19
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Yet another 300 point correction on the DOW tonight, following an equally severe correction of the FTSE today.
Is this inevitable as the indexes push new highs, or the start of the prophecies of doom? One thing that always amazes me is that the topic of 'Sub prime lending' seems to rear it's head every time the market falls. Markets rise & no one gives a damn. Markets fall & it's sub prime lending to blame. Surely, if these loans are as risky as stated, the lenders should build in a bad debt provision, or am I over simplyfing?
Any thoughts on a bounce? Be good to see the losses today made good tomorrow!
cynic
- 27 Jul 2007 08:13
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markets may bounce as rises and falls of this magnitude are almost always an over-reaction .... however, there will assuredly be many forced and computer programmed sales, so to expect the markets to recover even their equilibrium today, is really hoping for too much
Big Al
- 27 Jul 2007 08:29
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Credit crunch coming affecting margined hedge funds and private equity IMO.
Pain must continue further and deeper. ;-)))
neil777
- 27 Jul 2007 10:10
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FTSE fighting back, Traders remorse? hope it holds though!
HARRYCAT
- 27 Jul 2007 17:20
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Another lurch in to the abyss!
I think you are right, Al. The credit squeeze is starting to have an effect.
HARRYCAT
- 30 Jul 2007 14:48
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AFX today:
"Still, market volatility is high and credit concerns are running deep, so it's unclear if any of the day's news will allay investors' fears of a major correction. Another factor that could weigh on the stock market Monday is China's decision to tighten its credit again to rein in the country's excess cash by ordering banks to hike their reserves."
IMO, it's just a matter of when, not if to a big market correction.
Many people on these boards seem to be converting their stocks to cash & I confess I have started to do that too.
cynic
- 30 Jul 2007 14:51
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my chart guru reckons that if Dow breaks down through 13255, which is pretty much where it now sits, then 12000 becomes the downside target, though of course there would be upward spikes en route
Stan
- 30 Jul 2007 15:40
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Tend to agree with Harry... instead of "go away in May" it's been "go away in July" think this sub-prime business may run deeper or rather wider.
It all just confirms my sentiment of the last six months.
Strawbs
- 30 Jul 2007 16:02
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I think all these sharp corrections are the ripples of a much larger event waiting somewhere over the horizon. I'm not sure what it is, or even when it'll arrive, but I'm pretty sure it's coming. Everything up until now has been pretty much "predictable", meaning those that can, have been ready to short when oppertunity comes. The "crash" event will be unforseen though, probably something linked to credit (debt) in some way, but not necessarily obvious. With each of these ripples, investor sentiment is slowly erroded away, and with it market support. When the support has gone, even the smallest events can cause a crash. In my opinion......
Strawbs.
andysmith
- 30 Jul 2007 21:20
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My current policy has been to get out of speculative plays and invest only in profitable companies who are growing and are undervalued on current and/or forward earnings projections. Whilst sp is not immune on bad days, especially if there are profits to lock-in for some investors, there should be upside for such companies that are not exposed to US whether the bubble bursts or not.
cynic
- 30 Jul 2007 21:25
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good companies and bad have their peaks and troughs .... the difficulty is to determine when is which!
Big Al
- 31 Jul 2007 08:29
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Sitting in cash on the sidelines is a position in itself. ;-))
cynic
- 31 Jul 2007 08:32
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morning Al ..... played the dangerous game yesterday of buying Dow on its supposed support line .... got it right thank goodness .... and had the sense to close it with a respectable profit rather than run the risk of losing it all back ..... as it happens, Dow continued on up, but who cares?
Big Al
- 31 Jul 2007 08:49
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Not dangerous buying on support, cynic. ;-))
cynic
- 31 Jul 2007 08:56
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so it proved, but only because the support proved to be such!
Big Al
- 31 Jul 2007 08:57
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That's why you buy it, non? LOL
Similarly that's why we sell/short resistance.
Strawbs
- 31 Jul 2007 12:11
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If this sell-off repeats the last two (May 06, Feb 07) then I'd expect the bounce to last a few more days and then another sell-off after the weekend. Interesting that these bouts of fear are getting more frequent. 9 months, 6 months........Could the next big one be in October? I'm sure I read somewhere that most market crashes happen in the Autumn...... Glad to have a purely cash position. :-)
In my opinion etc.....
Strawbs.
cynic
- 31 Jul 2007 12:48
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Strawbs ..... sorry to be critical, but you have been in cash for months and months, and though it is very safe to put your money on bank deposit, it earns FA ..... meanwhile you could and arguably should have made a lot more in the markets ...... it will be a bit of a Smart Alec comment to come back if (when) there is a major correction in a few months to say "Told you so", when you have been preaching overall doom and gloom for months - and been significantly wrong to date
Strawbs
- 31 Jul 2007 13:20
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That's fair enough. At least I'm consistant. :-) My reasoning is that you can't predict when momentum will switch significantly negative, but you can see the potential of a big correction that may cause significant losses. So far these corrections have bounced and moved higher. I believe eventually the bounce won't arrive, and people will loose a lot of money. I also believe that my locked in profits will average out (even at what I agree is a poor interest rate) a far better return than staying in uncertain markets.
If you can monitor the markets all day and move in and out as appropriate, then you have a lot more free time than I do.
My postings are merely an opinion or observation that some may find useful and others will choose to ignore. I won't be telling anyone "I told you so", nor as far as I'm aware have I ever done so to date.
Strawbs.
cynic
- 31 Jul 2007 13:23
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i have no dispute with you Stawbs as well you know, but I am sure history has proved that even if one invested a week before the Great Crash, the immedaite losses were made good within quite a short time and of course stocks have consistently outperformed cash for decades