Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

All the left/Pro EU media who've viewed it have instead of looking at
the facts, have instead attacked the man and not the ball.

They're in deaf and blind denial to the democratic destruction of the UK!!.

This is what the EU is heading for. They want a United States of Europe and the individual countries will be relegated to the equivalent of States in the US. EU Federal law will rule over the all the states. You have to decide if this is what you want. Many countries do want this and this is where the EU is heading. Maybe 50 years from now we may be a small island offshore to the largest economic force, political grouping and market in the world, especially after they have gobbled up a few more countries.

Of course, we may be sucked further into this federal paradise. If we don't leave now, a future Labour government may give away more of our sovereignty as they did with our veto. There are plenty within Labour that like the federal model and would be very happy to ditch our independence. The UK would become one small part of a multicultural group with free movement and gradually vanishing local culture.

i think it is a racing certainty that if there is no root and branch reform of the whole eu structure, uk will inevitably be subsumed into this federal europe ....... and there are likely to be many more unwanted impositions too

the rest of my stance on voting needs no repetition

I think that's the best post I've read from yourself Haystack, didn't think I'd
ever have said that, but well explained.

Well there's going to be a rise in the amount we have to pay in
once the referendum is out the way, along with some more regulations,
they're just waiting for the outcome before they implement them..

But would rather the British voters didn't know before the vote.

Wrong thread "again" Muppets.. but run for the hills anyway.

"Wrong thread "again" muppets.."

Why what subject does this thread cover?

Selective with your ''Wrong thread'' tantrums aren't you Stan? A case of 'do as I say not as I do' with you.
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Yes Stanley Fxxk Off!! Not to put tooooo fine a point on it :0)

Succinctly put I might say Chris. LOL
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The pack animals have escaped from the Zoo.

Following my post on the subject, I still feel staying in is tantamount to staying on a burning ship, half way sank into the water with imminent death awaiting all on board except for the captain and the crew. As a general rule whatever the government line is or whatever David Cameron insists that you do – do the opposite. There is absolutely no benefit in staying in EU, Britain was deceived into going in … in the first place by it’s leaders, just like all the other nations who joined the union. Now, the opposition to staying in the EU say that we lose our democracy if we stay in. We do not have a democracy in or out, Cameron increased our borrowing by 170 Billion to help bomb Syria to dust whilst trying to cut 40 billion from our national health service. The austerity will continue in or out of EU and we will never pay back our debt to the central bankers (we are not supposed to) – The macro game plan is perpetual debt for every country in The World. Why Even pay our debt I ask? … We are never going to pay it back … After all, we are paying interest on money that never even existed in the first place. My call is that Britain will indeed stay in the EU – if they can get our vote in their desired direction then fine, if we choose to vote exit … my hunch is that they will fix the vote in the favour of staying in . YES ! They will fix the vote count. Andre Minassian

Just stunted teenagers.

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I'll raise you ,--.

aldwickk, On one hand you give the impression that people should
vote to leave, then you imply that it would be a waste of time because
the result is a forgone conclusion.

As to whether we stay in or out, we'd still not have a democracy...
Staying in WE definitely do NOT have a democracy because we're
being dictated to from Brussels, and so the establishment is more
then willing to implement the diktats that emanate from the EU ,
but voting out, at least we can remove a UK government after five
years if we find they're inept.

I definitely WILL be voting...At least my conscience will be clear..

There you are , Fred and Stan



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKsdJZB8Q9w

grannyboy

It's not my view, while i agree with most of it. It was posted by Andre Minassian [ google him ] Clever games.