Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

though not as you have worded it, but closest would be at least in part #2 followed in a lesser and different way #1

Mine was a mixture of the above with none of them overwhelmingly more important than the others but if pushed it would probably be the money we give them to squander first and second the rights given to EU immigrants the day they get here.

5) €uro Courts and all that follows from them.

Max,

Surely #5 is encompassed by #2?

Cynic,

How would you have worded it?

My wife and I didn't want our leaders to be 'told what to do' any longer by a non-democratic organisation.

We also wanted to take back control of our own laws because we knew that EU courts are controlled by unqualified and unelected beaurocrats.

We both saw a need for EU immigrants to be given jobs over here but also wanted to be able to see some sort of border control on EU immigration. EU immigrants were clogging up our social infrastructure to some extent, although we didn't feel that wa snecessarily 'their fault'. It was however, obviously getting to be too 'out of control'. We'd lost control of the numbers.

We'd lost fishing rights, trading rights with a lot of the rest of the world.

Importantly, the EU were blatantly squandering about £10bn pa of our tax payers money, right left and centre.

We also felt a bit like, "What do we really know about it all?"

And also, eg. 'Who the hell is our local MEP, anyway?'

The only MEP we ever knew was 'Nigel Farage' and he was totally critical and 'wanted out of the EU' big-time. We loved listening to his oratory and if 'coming out' was good enough for him, then it was obviously going to be good enough for us. :-)

2; 3; 1; 4, Hilary

Hils - All the above. Where have you been anyway? Miss your eloquent wit :0)

Got to say that I'm a bit surprised #1 isn't the primary reason. Every Brexiter I've spoken to in the UK has said it's 100% about immigration.

Just curious.

Summing it up!

Should leave EU at 12 midnight.

Seems to work when Beer & Petrol Duty goes up on Budget day!!!!

CC,

At the moment, I'm at home in the south of France. I may have a glass of local wine with lunch shortly - Mrs Merkel kindly uses your money to subsidise the vignerons, doncha know. :o)

Hils - Nice one :0)

There's no real problem with immigration round here hils but Blaenau Gwent voted over 60% out.

People I spoke to mentioned immigration but amongst other things. Think they were just fed up of being told how good the EU had been to this area when in fact it has lost us 100's of jobs and built us a new bloody road at 110% of the cost of building it ourselves outside the EU and not having to subsidies them.

They even got the cheek to put signs on the road saying built with EU funding when we sent them the money in the first place for them to send a smaller amount back !

Hi Hilary

If the EU is going to survive IMO they will need to take more control from Nation States to harmonise Laws, taxation and and many other aspects of life. I did not vote for that when I voted to join the EEC naively I thought it was all about free trade. I want sovereignty back so I can vote for or against the Government that makes the laws and decisions I live under.

I don't want to be living in an increasingly Federal European State.

I will vote for any party that can achieve that irrespective of their political persuasion knowing they can be kicked out at a later date if they get other aspects of policy wrong.

Ditto Martini

I like most of the immigrants I talk to and my wife and I do talk to quite a lot of them.

Most are quite hard working and have come over here to try and get a better life for themselves and their loved ones. 95% of them don't mind working hard and know and believe this is how to make their lot in life a much better one.

I particularly like the Polish ones. And 'watch out, Hilary!', because the standard of 'ladies legs' has rocketed up this last few years. In fact, 'leg quality' is how you tell whether girls are EU immigrants or not, IMHO.

"Great legs = from Eastern Europe"

It's not the EU workers that are the problem Far from it. Most have a work ethic and are thankful to be out from under the thumb of the soviets and in the case of the Poles, the German influence and their mate Tusk.
Immigration. legal and not, from Africa and the Asian sub-continent, where corruption is endemic, is the real issue.

Hi Martini,

I totally get that, but the UK sets its own interest rates and sets its own monetary policy.

Really, are there any EU laws that adversely affect UK residents' way of life and standard of living? I know folks get the hump because the UK couldn't deport the terrorist with a hook for a hand a few years back, but wasn't he very much a one-off that the Currant Bun latched on to?

But what about the good EU laws that have standardised mobile roaming charges, and brought air fares down? And isn't it nice to have properly labelled food, breathe clean air, and to swim in a clear sea?

iturama,

The UK government have always had the power to limit immigration from those places you mention - it's not EU related. Strange they haven't done so in the last 30 years, doncha think? Maybe they need the tax revenues and social security contributions of a young labour force to cover the welfare costs of an ageing population? Just a thought.

Doc,

I'm sure the Eastern Europeans you talk to are nice, and aspire to greater things. That's easy to understand of anyone who's spent 8 hours a day for 20 years queueing for a loaf of bread. Certainly, I've never encountered any hostility from the natives whilst living abroad, and they've always been very polite (except the local bike shop owner, who I called a peasant for not cleaning up his dog shit).

However, a 10% population increase also means 10% more houses, 10% more schools, 10% more hospitals. You get the drift... Governments can't just take their money, and fail to invest in infrastructure.

The bloke who has a wife with a gob that looks like a pillar box, and the one-eyed Scottish moron that took his job, have got a lot to answer for!

Hilary

I believe the direction of travel is for more centralisation of monetary policy,we only avoided the Euro by the skin of our teeth. Thank you Gordon Brown for that.

All the other stuff we could have done on our own. did we need the EU to clean up our beaches and label food for us? And as for, breathe clean air, have you been in a UK large city recently?

I am happy to pay more for phone charges or air fares if sovereignty is back with us. That could be easily covered if we did not have things like the restrictive practises of the common agricultural policy hiking up food prices.

No I wish them well on their path to The Unites States of Europe but Europe is not like America and even they struggle at times to unite the Nation and make America Great again ( Where have I heard that phrase recently?)


M