Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Leave now. I just dont understand. Too many with vested interests shovelling what they can out before natives get restless again.

Cynic,

Do you think rules and regulation regarding fishings and their implementations will be improved by the exit from the EU?

I think the public should be able to assess the financial "rewards" of public "officials" and "public" corporation.
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It,

I suggest recognising and understanding what group responsibility to fellow human beings means and would be pertinent in the migration problem.

Also, recognising and accepting the precursors of the said "problem".

I.E paying for the crimes.

If that had been done earlier many of the present problems may have been avoided.

Dear God in heaven, what are you drinking Fred? (smoking?)

First of all Max its very unlikely that there is a god.. let alone a heaven.

Secondly Fred's tiple is beside the point and as for Fred smoking?..don't be ridiculous -):

Deportation to first country of EU entry is an interesting concept in the Schengen Area.

Not if your Greek or Italian it isn't.

So when are the French going to start deporting those still hanging around the Channel ports ?

It's obviously not a UK problem.

The whole thing with unmanned borders, Dilbert, is that the deportees can walk straight from Greece or Italy through any other Schengen country and back up to Calais.

Good job they can't walk on water then isn't it.

I thought Austria had closed its border and someone else , Hungary? to these migrants ?

And surely the EU court ruling makes it ok to do so.

If I were Italy or Greece I'd threaten to give all migrants an EU passport within a week of landing and a free train ticket to whatever country they wanted to go to.

If I were Italy or Greece I would bomb the crap out of Libya until it put an end to the invasion. I might also drop a couple on the ships waiting to drop the migrants at my ports.

And both Greece and Italy are renowned for their military might, and have bottomless pits for a defence budget?

I would borrow the money, as usual. :)

Don't think your getting much attention today Fred ,go back to sleep maybe ?

Pointers to the Success of the Cameron government and tory internecine self-love affair.

UK PM May's spokesman: Free movement with EU will end in March 2019

LONDON, July 31 (Reuters) - Free movement of people between Britain and the European Union will end in March 2019 when Britain leaves the bloc, Prime Minister Theresa May's spokesman said on Monday.

Last week British finance minister Philip Hammond said there should be no immediate change to immigration rules when Britain leaves the bloc.

"Free movement will end in March 2019," May's spokesman told reporters, adding that the government had already set out some details including proposals on EU citizens rights post-Brexit.

"Other elements of the post-Brexit immigration system will be brought forward in due course, it would be wrong to speculate on what these might look like or to suggest that free movement will continue as it is now."

After members of May's top team have appeared to contradict each other in recent days over the government's Brexit plans, the spokesman also said the government position on Brexit remains as set out by the prime minister in January.

Details of a post-Brexit implementation period were a matter for negotiations, he added, but Britain is not seeking an "off-the-shelf" solution. The Financial Times reported last week that Hammond hoped for an "off-the-shelf" transition deal.

Philip Hammond, (the next leader of the Conartists) is likely to push the prime minister to accept that while free movement will officially end, there should be no immediate move to reduce immigration.

Even Labour wants to reduce immigration

My husband, nephew and son all went to the same south London selective grammar school.

When my husband was there in the 70's, they had the token black kid.

When my son was there in the noughties, Asian kids were in the majority. To be fair, they were there on merit, having outsmarted the local white kids in the entrance exam. The white kids all seemed to be going to the local comprehensive. To put it into further perspective, it was probably the Conservative government of the 80's and early 90's which had allowed the parents of those kids to settle in the UK, and I guess those folks are hard working and high achievers themselves for their kids to have achieved.

My nephew is now in the situation of having 3 year old twins, and he's unsure whether they'll be allowed into the nearest primary school because all the places are being filled by people whose name ends in 'sczy' or suchlike, and every London borough supposedly needs one new school to cope with the influx of eastern Europeans.

If the twins are able to go to the same grammar school in 8 years time, it'll be interesting to see whether the other kids in the school are of eastern European extraction.

You have to question the long term benefits of low skillset mass immigration.

The Asian (Indian) influx of the 70s was largely from Uganda after they were given 90 days to leave by Idi Amin. They essentially ran all the domestic trade in Uganda, as well as in other countries such as Malawi and Zambia. Many had been squirrelling money out of those countries for years, so unlike the current migrants, they had the means and experience to start up again in this country.

The remainers are trying to meddle on all this ............

UK must rescue itself from abrupt Brexit 'disaster', Hague says

LONDON, Aug 1 (Reuters) - Britain is heading towards a Brexit disaster that could amount to the biggest muddle in its history unless finance minister Philip Hammond succeeds in achieving a less abrupt exit from the EU, former Conservative Party leader William Hague said.

Since May's failed gamble on a snap election last month, the future of Brexit has been thrown into question with squabbling between her ministers over the pace, tone and terms of Britain's departure from the club it joined in 1973.

"There is the clear potential for Brexit to become the occasion of the greatest economic, diplomatic and constitutional muddle in the modern history of the UK, with unknowable consequences for the country, the Government and the Brexit project itself," Hague wrote in the Daily Telegraph.

Hague, who campaigned to remain a member of the European Union, praised Chancellor of the Exchequer Hammond for seeking such an approach to the EU divorce.

The United Kingdom Independence Party, which opposes EU membership, has called on Hammond to resign for what it said was a plan to derail Brexit.

"The anti-Brexit faction in the government, led by reprieved Chancellor Philip Hammond, are now actively promoting confusion and uncertainty, as part of their strategy to undermine Brexit negotiations and reverse the process," UKIP said.