Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

We will get the feeling quite soon if we are being betrayed . Free movement of people will or won't be stopped by the next election ,the Tories hands are tied like it or not .

Haystack we know you are blue through and through but life just isn't like that , things change you have the future laid out always this then that then this . If 10 or 20 or 30 Con MP's said to May we will vote for you if you give us a second referendom what is she to do , tell them to sod off or let down the leavers . Not hard is it .

Haystack are you George Osbourne ?

Doing that she may provoke a vote of no confidence and "may", if labour and Lib Dems and SNP "speak" to one another the balance might be interesting.


(Supposing that labour does get its act together.)

Interesting times.

There is not going to be a second referendum no matter what. It won't be clear whether there will be freedom of movement by next election.

The guy who is the biggest donor to UKIP wants anew a party but without Farage.

Interestingly the man who started UKIP has said that Farage only vaguely helped the referendum result. He describes UKIP now as a nasty little racist party.

Farage’s taking over of the party and its subsequent change in modus operandi was not an accident. If you were ever in any doubt about the route that Nigel Farage craved for UKIP, it is summed up in a conversation he had with Alan Sked in 1997. Sked recalled an incident in 1997 when Farage was arguing with him over the kind of candidate that UKIP should be selecting for a forthcoming election. Sked claims that –

“He wanted ex-National Front candidates to run and I said ‘I’m not sure about that,’ and he said ‘There’s no need to worry about the nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us’”

Somehow the freedom of movement got changed. In its original form it was freedom to move if you had a job. It was changed to freedom to look for a job. Maybe it could be changed back again.

72146 - i have just posted along those lines on the referendum thread

And kick those b. English pensioners out of Spain.

You know who I mean those bloody spongers, sitting in the sun drinking, falling over and using their casualty services when they hadn't paid into their health services.

cynic
Are you first, second or third generation import?
There was a report yesterday of a woman in Birmingham getting abuse because she was speaking Spanish on her mobile home.

indeed; unless the spanish nhs is going to be properly reimbursed from uk (i don't know the rules), why should they treat expats for zero?

my grandparents from both sides ended up in uk in the early years of 20th century (around 1910 i think) ....... no welfare state then you will remember :-)

They should be in the 1911 census. What area did they come to?

probably leeds or thereabouts, but i'm not sure
could even be glasgow!

neither set ever talked about family history, which was a shame
i have bits and pieces on record, and also later pix from 20's which were taken in poland, but they don't say where let alone who!

I could send you my Ancestry logon details. You can search the 1911 census. If your surname/christian name is fairly rare it should be easy to find them. The 1911 census is somewhat different as it was the first time it was filled in by the head of the household. It contains ages, jobs, address, numbers of children born alive and still alive etc. My account is a Premium account, so everything is free.

certainly their names will have been anglicised to some extent, but at what juncture i don't know
the 1921 census would show my mother's side of the family for sure, as she was born in 1920
my father was born in 1914 and assuredly in (greater) london however that was defined

we managed to trace back a little way, but of course all records in poland would have been destroyed, if they even existed at all

The 1911 census is the most recent census that can be seen under the 100 years rule. You can find births, marriages and deaths though and electoral rolls and a few other things like divorce and will probates with the sums left. It depends which part of London. much of it including the East End was Middlesex.

Jeremy Corbyn is neither nice nor decent – he is a nasty bully and an embarrassment to the country

Tom Harris (former Labour MP and government minister)

If you were to write a history of the death of the Labour Party, you could do worse than start with the election of Ed Miliband as leader in 2010.

Choosing Ed over his big brother was the first indication we had that Labour members – and, of course, trade unionists – were growing tired of grown up politics, of the inevitable compromises that accompany being in government. We were out of government now – Great God almighty, free at last! – and it was time to let our hair down, to talk about what we wanted to talk abut, campaign on what we wanted to campaign on, and not be subject any more to the selfish whims of the electorate.

So instead of choosing someone we thought the rest of the country would see as a future prime minister, we chose someone who we saw as a Leader of the Opposition.

Corbyn is a coward who values the praise he gets from the wild-eyed Trots and misfits of Stop the War and the Socialist Workers Party far more highly than he values his duties as the leader of the country’s (for now) second biggest political party.

If he thinks he can lead his party to government, then add stupid to the charge of cowardice. If he knows he cannot become prime minister but still refuses to resign, then add vanity and treachery to the list.

Jeremy Corbyn is neither nice nor decent. He is an embarrassment, not just to the Labour Party, but to our country.

In the name of everything that’s decent, he must go.

Strange how others report him differently.

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Manuel,


my grandparents from both sides ended up in uk in the early years of 20th century (around 1910 i think) ....... no welfare state then you will remember :-)


Perhaps they were shown goodwill.

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i think one of the grandparents paid for steerage to america but was dropped off in glasgow and of course knew no different

in those days, local ethnic communities tended to look after their own - eg you can still find the edifice of the jewish soup kitchen in aldgate/whitechapel