Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Brexit campaigners launch bid to oust pro-EU finance minister
Mon, 14th Aug 2017 14:09

LONDON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - One of the most vocal pro-Brexit campaign groups launched a campaign on Monday to oust finance minister Philip Hammond from parliament, saying he is part of a plot to stop Britain leaving the European Union.

Divisions over Britain's Brexit strategy have resurfaced after Prime Minister Theresa May lost her parliamentary majority in an ill-judged snap election in June, generating renewed political pressure from some quarters for a softer exit.

Hammond has led calls for a multi-year, staggered break from the EU in the name of protecting the British economy, much to the annoyance of some Brexiteers who want a more decisive divorce when Britain's membership ends in March 2019.

That has put Hammond in the crosshairs of campaign group Leave.EU, whose grassroots organisation helped bring about last year's referendum vote to leave the bloc.

"He is part of a cabal of Westminster MPs (Members of Parliament) who believe that if they can delay exit, they can overturn the wishes of the 52 percent who despite threats from the political classes drew upon the courage of their conviction at the ballot box," said Leave.EU Chairman Arron Banks in a letter to voters in Hammond's constituency.

There is no automatic means for voters to get rid of their local member of parliament outside of an election period, and Britain is not scheduled to hold another vote until 2022.

But Leave.EU called on their supporters to pressure the local Conservative Party not to select him as their candidate at the next election. The group has also targeted interior minister Amber Rudd, who only won her seat by a slim majority in June.

There was no immediate comment available from the Treasury or Hammond's local office.

Many pro-Brexit voters sense the government is going soft on the decision to leave the EU. They reject calls for a lengthy transition period and demand that tighter immigration controls are brought in as soon as possible.

"Time for the people to strike back and remind the elite of the referendum," Leave.EU said in a statement.

I'd like to ask another question of the Brexiters on here please.

How many of you have children? If you do have children, how many children and grandchildren do you have? And did your children and grandchildren also vote to leave, or did they express an opinion if they weren't old enough to vote?

One voted out , one was in the States but would have voted in and the other one was three months short of being 18 and couldn't vote and was undecided as to what she would have voted.

How many Children? Who knows. To be serious none.

Eldest voted out, smart like dad; middle remainiac but otherwise has reasonable mental capacity; youngest stayed shtum- I still pay his bills...

Both voted leave including one studying Master's in International Political Economy.

One lives in the USA and couldn't care less. The other voted 'out' with a very strong conviction.

My grandchildren haven't been born yet but if they had and were old enough, I'm sure they would have voted out.

I read the following and thought, "Hmmm? Yes, that's about right as far as I'm concerned." So here's an explanatory C and P which I'm happy to post concerning the present shambles:

"The inability of the government to agree a coherent post-Brexit immigration policy is “destabilising” – there is “certainly evidence of EU staff going back to Europe”.

This is due to two factors. Firstly, “many feel unwelcome in the UK”; but the “fall in the value of the pound is also important” since it reduces the relative value of their salaries compared to what they can get in the rest of the EU. Thanks to this “double whammy” many are “voting with their feet”.

The consequences of a cliff-edge exit out of the single market and customs union should be “unthinkable”.

Getting a decent deal “will take a lot of time” because “there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved”. One positive sign is that, “the idea that a bad deal is worse than no deal is fortunately going out of the window”."

And Philip Hammond hasn't helped things in shooting off his mouth whilst TM has been away on her walking holiday. No doubt she couldn't get a signal up in the EU hills to text him and tell him to 'Shut up or I'll fire you." Now she's back, I see he's come to heel. Nevertheless, I've voted on the petition for him to get sacked which I mentioned earlier up this page.

Here it is again: https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-sack-philip-hammond#share

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

I'm confused though. 73% of 18-24 year olds are supposed to have voted to remain in the EU. That doesn't exactly correlate with the limited poll results here?

We are hardly a representative sample Hilary. Wise chinese proverb - "the son of a fish is a fish". :) Try the Mirror and you may get a different result.

We are hardly a representative sample. You can say that again and again...

That is indeed a wise Chinese proverb, iturama. Are you suggesting that the more vociferous Brexiters on here may have inflicted their own views on their offspring?

On the basis that my husband and I will most probably die before our children, and it is our children that will have to live with the consequences of Brexit, we asked our children how they were voting themselves, and then voted the same way ourselves.

Lots of young working kids voted to leave ,lots scared about jobs and immigration , the uni's are now mostly full of brainwashed lefty kids who don't have a clue ,probably leave uni and work in Mc Donalds alongside Juan and Goran.

As we are into asking questions how many here own property in Europe. I don't but have and still think about doing it.

I do, Martini, but I'm a Swiss resident with an Irish granny and an EU passport. :o)

Voted the way I did because I think it is the best long-term option for the UK, that includes children. Doubt I am alone - either side. Of course, if you don't hold the same opinion as Nick Clegg, you don't care - the sanctimonious gimp.

Not at all Hilary. More along the lines of "great minds think alike". :)
You are very virtuous Mademoiselle but don't forget the wisdom that comes with age. Your children will grow up and be you in 20 years time or so. Will their ideas be the same then?
Personally, I prefer to think in terms of the benefits of Brexit, rather than the consequences. Sure there will be some inconveniences and some in the EU will try to maximise those but nothing to compare with the inconveniences my father suffered at Dunkirk due to certain EU members ambitions and failures.
Anyhow, the deed is done and we have to get on with it and make it a success.

i shall post very bitchily below about the brotherhood switzerland clearly shares with the other eu member states
and yes, hilary likes to think of herself as an eu citizen, though she's certainly very happy to be a uk tax exile as a swiss resident - switzerland of course being outside eu and merely a member of efta

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A Swiss village, one of the wealthiest in Europe, has refused to take in its government imposed quota of asylum seekers, voting to pay a fine of £200,000 instead.
The residents of Oberwil-Lieli, where there are 300 millionaires among a population of 2,200, voted “no” in a referendum over whether to accept just 10 refugees.