Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Will you get it into your thick skull haystack, the day after the referendum
the EU reopened talks on fastracking Turkey's accession to the EU.

Obviously this event which is taking place will now put the talks in jeopardy
and the Turks chances of joining.

You seem to be politically naive. The EU wants Turkey or more specifically President Erdogan to be helpful over immigrants. There are 3m refugees in Turkey and increasing steadily. If they do not hang on to them we will get them in Europe. The EU has been stringing Erdogan on for some time by pretending he can join the EU. He wants access to cheap money in the EU just as Greece got. Turkey stands absolutely no chance of joining the EU for many years. They are so far away from being suitable as a candidate in almost every area.

It would take them at least 30 years to meet te requirement. They would also have to avoid a veto by all 27 countries. Denmark recently had a referendum that rejected Turkey and at least a half dozen other countries don't want them. They didn't have a proper judiciary as Erdogan appoints the judges. He has been taking powers to himself to make laws by decree. Only the gullible ad Erdogan believed that Turkey would join the EU.

There may have been supposed accelerated entry to the EU, but it is a fantasy. Their economy, human rights, democracy and a host of other things prevent it.

Apart from anything, where did you read about Turkey getting accelerated access the day after the referendum. I can't find it. I know it was reported that it would happen the day after in such rags like the Express.

The EU has been stringing Erdogan on for some time by pretending he can join the EU.

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Well you have gone and told him now Haystack ,when he reads that above iv'e no doubt he will just open the gates to Europe ,all your fault !!

I am happy about Leaving, but the campaign was a fraud. It appeared to have a manifesto but without any power to carry out any promises. For instance the promise to spend some of our EU contribution on the NHS. The trouble is that if they won the campaign, they would have no power to do that. They were not a party and were never going to have any power. They made pledges and some foolish people believed them. Their promises do not bind this or any other government. The money will not be spent on the NHS and nor should it be. None of the promises are possible.

It is not me telling him. When Cameron said that Turkey could could not join during the referendum campaign, Erdogan got very upset and said he had been betrayed.

Yes ok Hays, but come on Osbourne the Twat, emergency budget, war. Remember the song "Who's sorry now" ? Thank Christ were out of that shite! Turkey? Where are all the so called leaders in the true Muslim faith tonight. Silence is kin golden! Tony Blair how do you sleep. Remind me what was the street called where this latest atrocity occurred in France. Stand up and take the applause Angel Merkel welcome to Germany! France and Britain it's your next oyster, for the bastards. You couldn't make this shite up!

AS for Fiifi Sturgeon what planet is she really on? Answers on a post card!

Take more water with it.

Aye, your probably right Hays. I just wish this country would wake up! The noise is deafening.

i thoroughly agree about the muslim leaders everywhere
how often do we hear any let alone many of them shouting loud and clear after ANY terrorist attack, that such action is contrary to true islam?
NEVER

and i'm ashamed to say that nor do i hear any jewish leaders taking any stance against some of the actions taken in the name of the jewish people in israel

Fancy visiting a mosque or two or three then and telling a few of these Imams? Or maybe even just discussing things quietly with them.

ISIL say they are the only one true caliphate. By definition all other caliphates (lets loosely say, 'branches of the Islamic religion') are now technically enemies of the one true caliphate. The punishment for this is death.

I guess that's why most of these Imams keep a bit quiet about things. Simple really. They just don't want to bring down the wrath of any ISIL jihadists on themselves.

ISIL's ideology is now very apocalyptic, focused on bringing the end of the world and recruiting focused heavily on the promises of a rich afterlife for those who become martyrs.

If you die in these battles, which ISIL claims to be about bringing about the end of days, you’ll claim a high position in paradise.

Once again we typically see the old favourite 'religious' promise coming along, namely:

"Our church (ie. our religion) is the only one true church. Life begins when you die but only if you belong to our church."

All religions are a falsehood and the only real beneficiaries of them are the 'leaders' of these religions. This is why I would like to see ALL religions trashed, scorned, abandoned, ended, finished.

Education about things like 'the origin of the universe', reading and listening carefully to what people such as Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins have to say soon provide the real evidence to the observer, that the whole idea of there being any kind of a 'creator' or 'god' is just 'mystic bunkum'.

Trash religion and you trash religious terrorism with it. Surely you do.

It might take a very strong minded Iman supported by other muslim leaders to dominate Isil with good speeches and common sense bringing them into some sort of submission, influencing young Islamic people into turning their backs on mad causes and adopting real islam which is not about murdering people !....

Meanwhile back at home, reading my MoneyWeek:

"It’s been yet another hair-raising week in politics. And while the Labour Party remains in pieces, the UK finally has a new prime minister and cabinet. “This is the kind of thing that should make our political system the envy of the world... the UK is capable of flexing not breaking” says Merryn Somerset Webb in the latest issue of MoneyWeek. But this bunch is set to face some serious challenges.

One such difficulty will be ensuring the stability of the commercial property market. In the space of just a few weeks, eight fund management companies have now frozen withdrawals from their commercial property funds, in a bid to stem mass redemptions post-Brexit. Big players including Standard Life, Henderson and M&G have pulled the plug, while the likes of Aberdeen Asset Management and Legal & General have imposed penalties on redemptions."

Well it seems our ottoman friends have had a little bother overnight.....reminds me of that ad...carlos...carlos...carlos...el presidente..el presidente....or in this case...er do again...er do again.......hair do...get it....

Have been for a walk with the corgis. Any massive geopolitical events in the last half an hour?

— Elizabeth Windsor (@Queen_UK) 16 July 2016

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Turbulent times Ma'am.....

Actually, no more turbulent than usual, Ma'am.

The new PM looks to be well in control of things. So much so, she went up to Scotland for a wee holiday. The terrorists are 'still at it' here and there and I did think I heard someone say, that some turkeys had escaped but they have now been taken in and should be ready for Christmas.

By the way, Ma'am, I must say how well you are looking.