Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I read the following and thought, "Hmmm? Yes, that's about right as far as I'm concerned." So here's an explanatory C and P which I'm happy to post concerning the present shambles:

"The inability of the government to agree a coherent post-Brexit immigration policy is “destabilising” – there is “certainly evidence of EU staff going back to Europe”.

This is due to two factors. Firstly, “many feel unwelcome in the UK”; but the “fall in the value of the pound is also important” since it reduces the relative value of their salaries compared to what they can get in the rest of the EU. Thanks to this “double whammy” many are “voting with their feet”.

The consequences of a cliff-edge exit out of the single market and customs union should be “unthinkable”.

Getting a decent deal “will take a lot of time” because “there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved”. One positive sign is that, “the idea that a bad deal is worse than no deal is fortunately going out of the window”."

And Philip Hammond hasn't helped things in shooting off his mouth whilst TM has been away on her walking holiday. No doubt she couldn't get a signal up in the EU hills to text him and tell him to 'Shut up or I'll fire you." Now she's back, I see he's come to heel. Nevertheless, I've voted on the petition for him to get sacked which I mentioned earlier up this page.

Here it is again: https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-sack-philip-hammond#share

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

I'm confused though. 73% of 18-24 year olds are supposed to have voted to remain in the EU. That doesn't exactly correlate with the limited poll results here?

We are hardly a representative sample Hilary. Wise chinese proverb - "the son of a fish is a fish". :) Try the Mirror and you may get a different result.

We are hardly a representative sample. You can say that again and again...

That is indeed a wise Chinese proverb, iturama. Are you suggesting that the more vociferous Brexiters on here may have inflicted their own views on their offspring?

On the basis that my husband and I will most probably die before our children, and it is our children that will have to live with the consequences of Brexit, we asked our children how they were voting themselves, and then voted the same way ourselves.

Lots of young working kids voted to leave ,lots scared about jobs and immigration , the uni's are now mostly full of brainwashed lefty kids who don't have a clue ,probably leave uni and work in Mc Donalds alongside Juan and Goran.

As we are into asking questions how many here own property in Europe. I don't but have and still think about doing it.

I do, Martini, but I'm a Swiss resident with an Irish granny and an EU passport. :o)

Voted the way I did because I think it is the best long-term option for the UK, that includes children. Doubt I am alone - either side. Of course, if you don't hold the same opinion as Nick Clegg, you don't care - the sanctimonious gimp.

Not at all Hilary. More along the lines of "great minds think alike". :)
You are very virtuous Mademoiselle but don't forget the wisdom that comes with age. Your children will grow up and be you in 20 years time or so. Will their ideas be the same then?
Personally, I prefer to think in terms of the benefits of Brexit, rather than the consequences. Sure there will be some inconveniences and some in the EU will try to maximise those but nothing to compare with the inconveniences my father suffered at Dunkirk due to certain EU members ambitions and failures.
Anyhow, the deed is done and we have to get on with it and make it a success.

i shall post very bitchily below about the brotherhood switzerland clearly shares with the other eu member states
and yes, hilary likes to think of herself as an eu citizen, though she's certainly very happy to be a uk tax exile as a swiss resident - switzerland of course being outside eu and merely a member of efta

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A Swiss village, one of the wealthiest in Europe, has refused to take in its government imposed quota of asylum seekers, voting to pay a fine of £200,000 instead.
The residents of Oberwil-Lieli, where there are 300 millionaires among a population of 2,200, voted “no” in a referendum over whether to accept just 10 refugees.

And the residents of the multi-million pound residential development in K&C which was going to be used to house Grenfell tower victims were welcoming of their new neighbours with open arms?

no, but they did and one must assume that the grenfell "refugees" are now comfortably ensconced there

Because they didn't have much choice in the matter. The residents of Oberwil-Lieli did have a choice, and they exercised their rights. And so they should.

I wouldn't expect to buy a house and have a bunch of asylum seekers move in next door, and I suggest that anybody who pretends they think differently is telling porkies.

oh i see; not like your brothers in eu then?
seems to me that have very cleverly "bought" yourself the best of both worlds as an irish/switzer
are you not being just a tad hypocritical or even sanctimonious?

Btw, I'm not an EU citizen - I'm a British citizen, and intend to remain so. An Irish EU passport is probably going to be very useful in a couple of years time. And the residency thing? Well that's just a no-brainer.

Schengen

Little Britain

are you not being just a tad hypocritical or even sanctimonious?

I thought I'd been very careful not to disclose how I felt about Brexit. Are you reading something between the lines that I never wrote?

heaven forfend!
to be honest, i thought your feelings on brexit had been broadcast pretty loud and clear
i hope you are not also one of those who'ld campaign for a 2nd referendum primarily because you did not like the result of the first

So you did add 2 plus 2 and got 5.

I asked a couple of questions, tried to get some sensible answers, and I'm accused of being a Remoaner??!!?? Seriously, I voted because I had a vote, but I couldn't care less whether you stay or leave the EU because I took steps some time back to mitigate my position.

As things go (and I never thought I'd say this), but I'm inclined to side with Fred and Stan. :o)

whatever
i merely asked you a question
personally, i would never ever want to live in switzerland, despite its welcoming of uk tax asylum seekers