Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

UP yours "hilary"

maybe "pike" do not like it but YOU do choosing this nickname

Is that a ladies name, or just a name for anyone with not much of a substance for their country

oh it means both ways ... I get it now

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Just for you

I’ve found Jesus. "hilary" was behind the sofa the whole time.
Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap for "hilary" is cheap!
Errors have been made. "hilary" will be blamed.
I’m not crazy, I’ve just been in a very bad mood on reading "hilary's" post
See no evil, hear no evil and date no evil like "hilary"
Sarcasm is just one more service "hilary" offers.
One of us is thinking about sex… OK, it’s not me with this "hilary" name

Macho Law forbids me from admitting I’m wrong.

hilary - surely one of the issues (bugbears) is that uk was not allowed by eu to change the rules on how immigrants could claim benefit or to vary the levels or, for that matter, to prevent extended families being brought in

perhaps the above is just popular belief and not based on fact

Hilary
I can't be bothered to find my post but I think I said that if Europe is to survive it will increasingly need to take more power to set common policies from individual countries to Brussels and the control of an unelected Super quango. That has been the direction of travel from the start of what was supposed to be free trade organisation. As such let's get out now and control our own destiny. That might be painful economically but everyone is guessing on that be they brexiters or remainers. My bet is that in the medium term we can make it work.

I struggle to understand why leaving is proving such a problem take the Irish border question why don't we say we will leave it an open border? Who wants a closed border when we have the Irish sea in the way. the problem I suspect is for the EU who would then have an open border with a non EU country so let them insist on Ireland putting a hard boarder in. That should go down well with the Irish.

PS Ignore Mentor he is not all there.

Cyners,

I don't see why. The UK didn't have too much difficulty changing their own benefits laws a few years ago. Remember the so-called 'bedroom tax'?

They simply have to apply the same rules universally to EU citizens as they apply to UK citizens.

Martini,

Yes, I believe you did say something along those lines, and you wanted to be able to call your government to task on matters that you couldn't currently do on rules made by EU bureaucrats.

But I'm not talking about EU legislation here. There is plenty of existing UK legislation which, imo, the government are failing its people over.

ah; perhaps thereby lies the problem
no differential was allowed, whereas uk (i think) wanted eu immigrant benefits to be linked to what they would have received "at home"
i know i don't need to expand further for your benefit (no pun intended)

Taking the PISS is the game over here

martini

I am here alright, maybe I just not need a "martini" like you to post

note
Beware of the bitches

Is Donald your first name, or are you trying to imitate him?

Your own caricature for all to see

were you sleep when everything was going on?
this is happening when one is old and no other bitch to wake you up

poor old ... "freddy the gedy " you are making a good show


or is more the frendly "pig"

Two can play the trade off game..


Britain threatens to impose VAT and customs duties on EU imports if there is no Brexit deal



By Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent
15 August 2017 • 5:47pm



Britain is threatening to introduce new laws to impose VAT and customs duties on all goods from the European Union if no Brexit deal can be agreed, the Government said today.

MPs and peers will legislate to impose new custom duties and VAT tariffs on trade with the EU in case no deal can be agreed by March 2019.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/15/britain-threatens-impose-vat-customs-duties-eu-imports-no-brexit/

I'm sure you know what you are on about but I doubt anyone else does M.

Not you Max... :)

itu rama

very slow about your mistake
meddling does not work

Slow Processing Speed, and How Can the Rate Be Improved?

causes
# diabetes, smoking, high blood pressure can be the cause

How to improve it
# engaging in regular aerobic exercise, eating well

if that does not work then
# a brain transplant will do the job

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The government has outlined its proposals for how the relationship between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic should work after Brexit.

In a position paper unveiled on Wednesday, it said an "unprecedented solution" will be needed to address the issue of the Irish border.

The management of the border is one of the most sensitive Brexit issues.
Political figures have been having their say in response to the government's post-Brexit plan.

Appears that the Government has conceded that nothing will change with respect to the borders with Ireland. No hard border entering or leaving Ulster. Probably the best solution at this time.
Ireland, like the UK, is outside the Schengen zone and already turns back non EU citizens that don't have a visa. It does mean however that EU citizens will have a rathole to the UK but there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. The loopholes can be fixed later.
Looks like a possible smugglers paradise but the Irish have been working with that for years.

It will be interesting to see the effect of said Brexit on NI and SI economies and whether that will stimulate a new surge for the independence of the Island itself if the standard of living drops in the North.##

To a large extent, being outside the €U will mean the gov can turn off the benefits.

ie, big issue sellers, who are self unemployed and claiming everything that isn't nailed down. How else do they live?

Turn off the benefits to big issue sellers, and what benefits are they exactly Max?

It was ie, big issue sellers. There are lots of others.

"In work" benefits Stan, cos they sure as hell don't earn enough to live flogging that rag, or washing cars.

If I didn't know any different, I could've sworn Max edited those last two posts in an attempt to stop himself looking an arse.

Surely not???

You certainly don't know any different hilly.


But it might be an idea to ease up on the Neuchâtel .