Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Hilary
I can't be bothered to find my post but I think I said that if Europe is to survive it will increasingly need to take more power to set common policies from individual countries to Brussels and the control of an unelected Super quango. That has been the direction of travel from the start of what was supposed to be free trade organisation. As such let's get out now and control our own destiny. That might be painful economically but everyone is guessing on that be they brexiters or remainers. My bet is that in the medium term we can make it work.

I struggle to understand why leaving is proving such a problem take the Irish border question why don't we say we will leave it an open border? Who wants a closed border when we have the Irish sea in the way. the problem I suspect is for the EU who would then have an open border with a non EU country so let them insist on Ireland putting a hard boarder in. That should go down well with the Irish.

PS Ignore Mentor he is not all there.

Cyners,

I don't see why. The UK didn't have too much difficulty changing their own benefits laws a few years ago. Remember the so-called 'bedroom tax'?

They simply have to apply the same rules universally to EU citizens as they apply to UK citizens.

Martini,

Yes, I believe you did say something along those lines, and you wanted to be able to call your government to task on matters that you couldn't currently do on rules made by EU bureaucrats.

But I'm not talking about EU legislation here. There is plenty of existing UK legislation which, imo, the government are failing its people over.

ah; perhaps thereby lies the problem
no differential was allowed, whereas uk (i think) wanted eu immigrant benefits to be linked to what they would have received "at home"
i know i don't need to expand further for your benefit (no pun intended)

Taking the PISS is the game over here

martini

I am here alright, maybe I just not need a "martini" like you to post

note
Beware of the bitches

Is Donald your first name, or are you trying to imitate him?

Your own caricature for all to see

were you sleep when everything was going on?
this is happening when one is old and no other bitch to wake you up

poor old ... "freddy the gedy " you are making a good show


or is more the frendly "pig"

Two can play the trade off game..


Britain threatens to impose VAT and customs duties on EU imports if there is no Brexit deal



By Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent
15 August 2017 • 5:47pm



Britain is threatening to introduce new laws to impose VAT and customs duties on all goods from the European Union if no Brexit deal can be agreed, the Government said today.

MPs and peers will legislate to impose new custom duties and VAT tariffs on trade with the EU in case no deal can be agreed by March 2019.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/15/britain-threatens-impose-vat-customs-duties-eu-imports-no-brexit/

I'm sure you know what you are on about but I doubt anyone else does M.

Not you Max... :)

itu rama

very slow about your mistake
meddling does not work

Slow Processing Speed, and How Can the Rate Be Improved?

causes
# diabetes, smoking, high blood pressure can be the cause

How to improve it
# engaging in regular aerobic exercise, eating well

if that does not work then
# a brain transplant will do the job

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The government has outlined its proposals for how the relationship between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic should work after Brexit.

In a position paper unveiled on Wednesday, it said an "unprecedented solution" will be needed to address the issue of the Irish border.

The management of the border is one of the most sensitive Brexit issues.
Political figures have been having their say in response to the government's post-Brexit plan.

Appears that the Government has conceded that nothing will change with respect to the borders with Ireland. No hard border entering or leaving Ulster. Probably the best solution at this time.
Ireland, like the UK, is outside the Schengen zone and already turns back non EU citizens that don't have a visa. It does mean however that EU citizens will have a rathole to the UK but there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. The loopholes can be fixed later.
Looks like a possible smugglers paradise but the Irish have been working with that for years.

It will be interesting to see the effect of said Brexit on NI and SI economies and whether that will stimulate a new surge for the independence of the Island itself if the standard of living drops in the North.##

To a large extent, being outside the €U will mean the gov can turn off the benefits.

ie, big issue sellers, who are self unemployed and claiming everything that isn't nailed down. How else do they live?

Turn off the benefits to big issue sellers, and what benefits are they exactly Max?

It was ie, big issue sellers. There are lots of others.

"In work" benefits Stan, cos they sure as hell don't earn enough to live flogging that rag, or washing cars.

If I didn't know any different, I could've sworn Max edited those last two posts in an attempt to stop himself looking an arse.

Surely not???

You certainly don't know any different hilly.


But it might be an idea to ease up on the Neuchâtel .

Now they are trying to blame this cock up on brexit...desperate or what?

Not desperate, plain deplorable. But there are scribblers out there ready to knock the UK for any reason. Brexit is just an excuse. I didn't see the same when that old Russian carrier creaked its way through the channel, with its own sooty smoke screen and tugs close by in case it broke down.
The Queen Elizabeth is designed specifically for the F-35B joint strike fighter manufactured by Lockheed. BAE systems is a major partner in the joint venture. Nothing to do with the EU. The first planes will be flying off the carrier's deck next year, so unless war is declared in the meantime, where's the rush? RAF pilots and maintenance crews are already embedded with US flight teams and there is a lot of other testing and training to be carried out of the carrier's systems before it is ready for duty.