Andy
- 31 Aug 2003 11:58
Pursuit Dynamics plc is a UK based research and development company, which was founded in 2000 to develop and commercialise a revolutionary pumping and propulsion technology. Pursuit Dynamics (symbol: PDX) was listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange in May 2001.
PDX 25 Sonic.
The PDX Technology is a steam-based system that has applications in both pumping and marine propulsion. It is cheap to manufacture, extremely robust, contains no moving parts and is virtually impossible to block. Pursuit Dynamics owns 100% of the Intellectual Property Rights that surround the PDX Technology.
Pursuit Dynamics is now working towards the commercialisation of the technology it has developed.
Corporate website : http://www.pursuitdynamics.com/
Pursuit are rumoured to be close to closing their first deals, which may be in the food processing industry.
Saintserf
- 07 Nov 2005 14:35
- 739 of 1003
I might be wrong. You would think that the compound effect of all these deals would add up to value "in due course" as you say, but they have to start being worth something. The problem you've got is that if one company gets it discounted then its hard to persuade the others to take it at full price, because no doubt they get to hear from phoneing other companies what it cost them. The only good thing about pdx is that someone bought 3. 16% last week. But this could just be a bad call.
Iain
Saintserf
- 07 Nov 2005 14:42
- 740 of 1003
I've just put all my champion investor portfolio into pursuit dynamics. Its a bit risky, but unfortunately I feel it should go down. I've spoken to a friend who's beend doing shares for 15 years and he thinks its a pretty safe bet to go down unfortunately. I hope for your sake I'm wrong. ITs just that the chart is so bad. If you're interested in some short-term alternatives to buy, can I suggest GlaxoSmithKline, its chart has last week broken out of a 3 year bottom and has no resistance for a while, you might not make more than 10% in the short term, eg. 2 weeks to a month, but at least there's no spread and its safe. People like the small oil firm, aminex, but I'd wait until it stops going down.
Saint serf
Saintserf
- 07 Nov 2005 14:51
- 741 of 1003
Andrew, you may be right about it being a long term investment, but in that case you can buy it back cheaper nearer the time, the problem is because its not got decent fundamentals, this type of share relies on momentum, sentiment to keep it going. I call them "spotlight" shares, TAD and sps were the same, there's nothing to hold them up when they fall, because they lack the stability of much institutuional holding. So, a lot of their shares are in the hands of private investors who trade much more frequently than institutions, hence increased volatility. If its good between 3 and 5 years, then wait till the price stops falling, and I don't mean one or two days of no change, I mean the long term downtrend to have stopped and a long term uptrend to replace it. Remember the illusion I've come to realise is that for a share to rise 20% it only has to drop 10% to cancel this out. So often when a share goes down you think you're still in profit, but you're not. If you buy pdx at 20p and then it goes to 1 you make 500% if you buy it at 2 and it goes to 20p then rebounds to 1 you're still down 50%.
Cheers, Saintserf
Andy
- 07 Nov 2005 21:47
- 742 of 1003
saintserf,
So PDX should soon be back to 0 then?
I always check the chart, but news blows the chart out of the water, and EK has made the odd expensive howler in his time, eg Regus!
He made a lot of money long PDX, and is reaping it going down too, but PDX could announce a deal at any time, particularly of bird flu becomes a real danger, and their decontaminating firemist system is adopted by the government.
I would have thought it will consolidate around 160p, but the market is soft at the moment, so you never know.
andrewbertram2003
- 08 Nov 2005 12:37
- 743 of 1003
Well...should have taken my advice and sold out just before issue of accounts!!.
This stock will settle back now....the bottom ????
PDX will hit a rut before resuming an upward climb. It will be deal after deal and setady building of income to shift the current 3m loss into a 3m profit....phew!
Andy
- 10 Nov 2005 09:17
- 744 of 1003
Another US sourced sale!
Pursuit Dynamics' US distributor wins PDX Sonic order from Mexico's Jumex
AFX
LONDON (AFX) - Pursuit Dynamics PLC, the AIM-listed processing technology developer, said its US distributor A & B Process Systems has won a second order for the PDX Sonic System, namely from Grupo Jumex, a Mexican maker of juices, nectars and bottled drinks.
Grupo Jumex is acquiring the fluid processing product at list price. The order follows the formal US launch of PDX Sonic at the Worldwide Food Expo in Chicago last month.
newsdesk@afxnews.com
jsa
Oakapples142
- 10 Nov 2005 10:01
- 745 of 1003
And so comparitively quickly after Expo - Even I was begging to consider my options yesterday after 2 years with PDX but this should stablise the SP before more and more contracts send it North. The contracts department must be working overtime.
Andy
- 10 Nov 2005 10:18
- 746 of 1003
oak,
and the cash may be getting low!
They need more like this, and quickly IMHO.
Still, it's a very good start for the US operation.
andrewbertram2003
- 14 Nov 2005 08:41
- 747 of 1003
Cash is obviouisly low as they are issuing shares to raise 8mil. At the offer of 1.50 thats about 5.3 mil shares. Not too much liquidation there!
Currently this stock is well over valued, surely the share price is to drop back?
andrewbertram2003
- 14 Nov 2005 08:41
- 748 of 1003
They have 2.8mil loss to recover etc.....each sale appears to be around to the 3 60,000 mark from what I can make out...so....math?
TStringy
- 14 Nov 2005 17:35
- 749 of 1003
They have how much to recover?
They're placing shares to raise 8mil.
The product is only just finding it's market.......was launched in US only last month.........do you seriously expect them to making a profit at this stage on the back of a handful of sales.
Andy
- 15 Nov 2005 22:25
- 750 of 1003
tstringy,
Of course not!
What we need to see now is a steady climb in the number of units sold, and then we should see some confidenne return to the stock.
It wouldn't surprise me to see the price fall back to the placing price, that often happens.
For those in for the longer term, that's not a problem.
jimward9
- 12 Dec 2005 11:02
- 751 of 1003
Has PDX got any equipment down London to help with the big oil fire?
AdieH
- 12 Dec 2005 13:26
- 752 of 1003
water wouldn't help much...... maybe there's an application for foam use though...
gordon geko
- 13 Dec 2005 10:48
- 753 of 1003
"Tell me why, I don't like Mondays, tell me why, I don't like Mondays.... I trust Mr Saperia that you now accept that as well as being a stockmarket legend I am also an authority on rock and roll music. As it happens I am rather enjoying my Monday morning but those who ignored my sage words on Pursuit Dynamics (PDX) will be having a rather less pleasant start to the week. (Diarist's note, you will spot how Evil conveniently forgets how he was long of this stock until Young Lucian and me explained what was going on and he went short). As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted ...
Pursuit has served up what must be the funniest profits warning in history. One wonders whether it was written by our beloved leader Mr Blair himself it is such a hoot. In terms of using one's superb analytical mind to dissect this paper one does not know where to start. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that trial delays in the US have been delayed because of hurricanes. Well there is a shock, if there is bad news blame it on God. But wait for it, Avian flu in there, and guess what? Pursuit reckons that this could generate good new business. Well what a stroke of luck. I wonder how much that business will eventually be worth? Chicken shit? But the piece de resistance is the statement on actual sales. I really can do no better than quote the actual statement:
Revenue and contractual orders to date, including two PDX FireMist trials, total approximately 350,000. Of the total of ten licences and FireMist contracts achieved to date, revenue for only five Sonic licenses was recognised by 30 September. The success of our sales and marketing effort has meant that only the very first units have been priced at a discount to the normal 60,000 unit price.
Turnover in the year to 30 September 2005 is expected to be approximately 90,000 and losses after taxation, reflecting the increased level of activity surrounding the commercial launch of the first products, are expected to have increased to approximately 2.7 million, after charging depreciation and amortisation of approximately 632,000.
Read those lines carefully once more. I think even your average West Ham supporter might be able to see what I am getting at. Pursuit describes its sales and marketing as successful but in real terms that means that the last financial year its first five licences were knocked out at an average of 18,000 each - that is to say at a 70% discount to the "normal" price. Do you remember all those RNS statements over the summer boasting of new orders but which failed to value the orders and which excited the demented BB loonies so much? Well now you know why there was no value placed on those orders. But of course one must view the sales and marketing campaign as a "success." It is unreal. I might point out that if the first five licenses netted 90,000 then the next five must have netted 240,000 (or 48,000 a pop) which according to my basic maths shows that Pursuit has continued to discount. I would also point out that contractual orders are not the same as revenue in that they do not actually involve cash being handed over.
Aha, the subject of cash. As at March 31st the company had 2 million in the kitty but judging by the woeful second half of the year that cash position must now be down to well under 1 million. Well I might have failed the Cambridge entrance exam (I should have applied to Oxford as they will let anyone in, viz: the Diarist, young Lucian, Tony Blair) so I may not be the greatest mathematician on earth but at the current rate it cannot be long before Pursuit passes its hat around again. Now let us turn to the valuation: I should point out that at the half year stage net assets were 5.8 million but if one strips out intangibles and the second half cash drain I reckon you have net assets of 1.2-1.5 million. Now, at 196.5p (and falling) Pursuit is valued at around 90 million. You do not have to be the smartest bear in the woods to work out that a loss-making company with no asset backing and frankly with pretty irrelevant sales which will soon have to raise fresh cash and which feels the need to mention Avian flue in its statement is not worth 90 million. I am staying short and my first target for these shares is sub 100p. I do not expect to wait long."
CHECK OUT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT SANCTUARY HE'S NOT OFTEN WRONG BEWARE
jimward9
- 13 Dec 2005 14:00
- 754 of 1003
Gordon
Nip down to the doctor's they should be able to give you something to help.
Or are you paid to deramp.
Or just a worried shorter.
Confidant
- 14 Dec 2005 10:54
- 755 of 1003
Gordon
Two questions as you appear pretty well informed on this one
1. Hasn't the hat been passed around already at 150p in Novemeber ?
2. On the discounts don't these things sell for about 120,000 with half going to PDX. Is it reasonable to assume the other hallf goes to the distributor? But for initial sales all the hit was taken by PDX so machines sold for not as large a discount as you make out ?
I have no idea so would be pleased if someone could outline situation
thx in advance
Confidant
- 15 Dec 2005 12:34
- 756 of 1003
Gordon you still there mate ??
Nice Firemist deal today with THE global leader. Plus look just now a director follows up with a purchase of 30,000 shares even after the price has jumped 200p....
jimward9
- 15 Dec 2005 14:33
- 757 of 1003
Gordon (the stockmarket legend)
Got a bad head today with the rest of the shorters
We who are long just paid for christmas.
I am out now.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.
Confidant
- 15 Dec 2005 20:08
- 758 of 1003
... a second director posting a share buy as soon after news as possible, either these two guys have money to throw away or we're going to see some pump to this share price soon