Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Will we have this happen:

democracy , article 50 will not be signed mps are going to vote down the vote to leave the EU . if these facts are correct then DEMOCRACY in the UK is finished , and will be pointless to vote again on any issue .

lloys are cheap stock up for the divs and the 40% rise over the next 14 months

With Germany’s biggest bank teetering, a private meeting of major investors in London yesterday discussed offloading their assets in the troubled financial giant.
The potential collapse could trigger an economic catastrophe in the EU with Deutsche Bank’s holdings worth two thirds the size of the entire German economy, 25 times bigger than Northern Rock which set off Britain’s 2008 financial crisis when it collapsed.
With a rearguard of so called “Remoaner” MPs try to delay triggering Article 50 and getting Britain out of the EU, a report by thinktank Global Britain has highlighted that unnecessary delay could cost that taxpayer billions.

rosie - 74043 - the counter argument, that has some validity, is that parliament is the elected body of the people and is there to safeguard uk democracy.....

therefore, how should mps vote?
should they vote according to their conscience, or their party or (in this instance) how their constituency voted?

in the last scenario, i wonder what then would be the result

cynic I see your point , but if that is the case then ever gov as one elections on less than 40% of votes so the system must change , so that ever voters vote counts which it does not .
a referendum vote , which is for in or out is fair and does give ever vote the same chance .
so the general elect votes in the uk is not true democracy

The results of the referendum were announced by local authority area, not constituency, so hard to tell. But the result was clear, the majority vote was for out and it has to be respected.

it appears that the german gov as been or going to break all the rules of the EU TO RESCUE THEIR BANK . WHICH IS AGAINST ALL THE EU RULES , WHEN IT SUITS THEM

back to free movement migrants are now in Germany want their families to join them
the german papers say that will add more than 3 times the migrants they have taken and will be the destruction of Germany .
its al their to read in their papers get ready for action of the people in Germany

proportional representation is what some have fought for for a very long time - and have lost .... therefore uk has "first past the post"

the referendum vote is slightly different from a ge, and has thrown up a conundrum or two, of which i am sure you are aware

on balance, i think parliament has an obligation to support the referendum result

you then get to the issue of whether or not parliament has a right to debate and then vote on the detail of the subsequent negotiations
on balance, i think it does, but of course that opens up another can of worms

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fred - what's your opinion? ...... and please don't go off on one of your tiresome political rants! :-)

the whole EU is in a mess because of unelected idiots ,

it appears that the only real world leader who looks after it country is Russia and putin
he does have balls and guts unlike the stupid yanks run by a simple man who is a racist

cynic. you are correct but change must now come and represent all voters in all issues .

it depends whether or not you like the idea of coalitions
personally, i do not, israel being the best (worst) example of what can happen

even then, you do not end up with a system that "represents all voters in all issues"

then we need to change from voting for a pm to just voting for a party , then they make the laws and can not be over ruled ,

not true ..... if you have a strong party leader, then the leader will provide the impetus and direction of the party - as in any team sport

MT and JC show exactly what happens when one does and (of course) when one doesn't

cynic I ment mps not pm

off to go shopping and lunch

I will be really p*ssed off with my MP if he votes against Brexit as I think our constituency voted over 60% to leave and is the same constituency as in Parliament elections.

the thinking voter might already do either
he might vote for a given party regardless of the quality of the candidate because he does not want the opposition party in power ...... or if the indications are that the ge will go one way or another, he may vote for a specific mp because of that person's previous record and performance

Take your time Rosie ... a year or two would be nice.

dil - so your mp supports article 50, thus honouring the constituency wishes

however, that does not resolve the issues surrounding the detail of any deal reached either on the whole or on individual sections, of which there are many

certainly you cannot vouch for the reasoning behind each individual in your constituency who voted "out", and that reasoning is likely to be or should be manifold rather than just simplistic - eg keep out immigrants

so on those individual issues, how should your mp vote?