Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic I see your point , but if that is the case then ever gov as one elections on less than 40% of votes so the system must change , so that ever voters vote counts which it does not .
a referendum vote , which is for in or out is fair and does give ever vote the same chance .
so the general elect votes in the uk is not true democracy

The results of the referendum were announced by local authority area, not constituency, so hard to tell. But the result was clear, the majority vote was for out and it has to be respected.

it appears that the german gov as been or going to break all the rules of the EU TO RESCUE THEIR BANK . WHICH IS AGAINST ALL THE EU RULES , WHEN IT SUITS THEM

back to free movement migrants are now in Germany want their families to join them
the german papers say that will add more than 3 times the migrants they have taken and will be the destruction of Germany .
its al their to read in their papers get ready for action of the people in Germany

proportional representation is what some have fought for for a very long time - and have lost .... therefore uk has "first past the post"

the referendum vote is slightly different from a ge, and has thrown up a conundrum or two, of which i am sure you are aware

on balance, i think parliament has an obligation to support the referendum result

you then get to the issue of whether or not parliament has a right to debate and then vote on the detail of the subsequent negotiations
on balance, i think it does, but of course that opens up another can of worms

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fred - what's your opinion? ...... and please don't go off on one of your tiresome political rants! :-)

the whole EU is in a mess because of unelected idiots ,

it appears that the only real world leader who looks after it country is Russia and putin
he does have balls and guts unlike the stupid yanks run by a simple man who is a racist

cynic. you are correct but change must now come and represent all voters in all issues .

it depends whether or not you like the idea of coalitions
personally, i do not, israel being the best (worst) example of what can happen

even then, you do not end up with a system that "represents all voters in all issues"

then we need to change from voting for a pm to just voting for a party , then they make the laws and can not be over ruled ,

not true ..... if you have a strong party leader, then the leader will provide the impetus and direction of the party - as in any team sport

MT and JC show exactly what happens when one does and (of course) when one doesn't

cynic I ment mps not pm

off to go shopping and lunch

I will be really p*ssed off with my MP if he votes against Brexit as I think our constituency voted over 60% to leave and is the same constituency as in Parliament elections.

the thinking voter might already do either
he might vote for a given party regardless of the quality of the candidate because he does not want the opposition party in power ...... or if the indications are that the ge will go one way or another, he may vote for a specific mp because of that person's previous record and performance

Take your time Rosie ... a year or two would be nice.

dil - so your mp supports article 50, thus honouring the constituency wishes

however, that does not resolve the issues surrounding the detail of any deal reached either on the whole or on individual sections, of which there are many

certainly you cannot vouch for the reasoning behind each individual in your constituency who voted "out", and that reasoning is likely to be or should be manifold rather than just simplistic - eg keep out immigrants

so on those individual issues, how should your mp vote?

c.

Your reasoning is a recipe for doing nothing, which is probably what the troughers want.

If it looks like a stitch up, and that's the way it seems to be heading: I suspect the tories will not survive the next GE. Labour is already a lost cause.

so you think negotiations should not be that at all, but just a diktat?

have you ever run your own business where you had to deal with real clients?
if so, you should have learned something

Negotiations always start off as a diktat, and are then watered down to a mutual agreement.

However, there are always bottom lines, which cant be crossed.


After years of trying to get rid of the nonsense, Call Me failed miserably to get any worthwhile concessions, and so lost the referendum and his job.

Compromise would appear to be for other people.

Haha...A German MP has said the German people should learn to speak arabic..

Don't laugh granny.