Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil,

Here is an interesting summation of Brexitier's success.
"
Brexit the Musical": in Edinburgh, I understood how farce can be more persuasive than argument

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/27/brexit-the-musical-satire-can-save-us

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Even death sentences have been repealed.

A dark horse, or a stalking horse?



Brexit campaigners 'use ECJ backlash to rally support for Rees-Mogg'

Social media analysis finds issues such as European court are behind wave of online support for MP as potential Tory leader

Dan Roberts Brexit policy editor


@RobertsDan

Monday 28 August 2017 05.45 BST





Brexit campaigners have seized on signs of a possible climbdown over Europe and are using it to rally support around alternative Tory leaders, according to a study.

Analysis of social media activity, a key political battleground during the referendum, reveals a particular backlash at the European court of justice (ECJ) after ministers hinted it could play a continued role in British affairs after March 2019.

Researchers at Signify, a data science company, used public data to examine 50,646 individuals sharing articles about the ECJ on platforms such as Facebook and found four times as many people were pro-Brexit than pro-remain, while 83% expressed negative sentiment about the court.


Promotion of hot button issues such as the ECJ now appears to be behind a wave of online support for Tory politicians who are opposed to any softening of the government strategy, and may stir a similar resurgence in support for Ukip as Labour also softens its Brexit message.


“The issue is a proxy for sovereignty and control, and has become a tool for galvanising Tory Brexiteers and Ukip supporters, coalescing their support around Jacob Rees-Mogg,” said Joe Harrod, chief operating officer of Signify.

“It’s hard for remainers to get traction on this topic because all their arguments are about process and statutes, while many leave voters genuinely regard sovereignty and the rule of Brussels as a red line issue. It’s a perfect topic to energise that base.”



More: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/28/brexiters-ecj-backlash-rally-support-jacob-rees-mogg

Rees Moggy? They might as well drag back Miss or was it Missed Ann Widdecombe back 😂

Rees Moggy v Jeremy Liar?

Your hero is betraying you every time he opens his mouth Stan, he's backtracking on everything. Mind you, so in the mini maggon, but she's about to go anyway.

Bring back the Widdy... and bring her back now 😆

The tory party is digging in the graveyard for another leader.

R Mogg looks more like a Ghoul every day.

I would think a suitable leader for the Breakers, Brexiters, con party, and fellow travellers.

7379 - i don't believe that for a minute

Cyners,

The Sky News article didn't really explain why there'd be a drop in air travel, but I read something a good few months ago which basically said that the airlines plan their routes and reserve the airport landing slots at least 6 months in advance.

So, if the UK leaves the EU in March 2019, a trade deal would need to be agreed by September 2018 in order to give the airlines sufficient confidence to book their routes for the summer of 2019. I guess that a drop in air travel between the UK and EU countries is, therefore, quite probable, but only if a trade deal isn't agreed in time.

Fred - 7408

I only know of one expat who has headed back to the UK since the referendum, but that's because she's on her own and she's just become a grandmother.

Every other expat I know is far happier living outside the UK, and has no desire or intention whatsoever to return.

Hilary,

The expats I know in Europe also want to remain where they are. They can afford to do so.

However, due to the devaluation of sterling the "pensions" of many others when the sources are from the UK have decreased in purchasing value.

That is the stimulus for some of them to wish to return.

Mind when the temperature in Provence was 40C earlier this month I can understand other reasons.

Be careful when you stand in the sea to cool off, there are always stray sharks about.

PS.

I am lucky my pension is index linked.

I dont buy one way or another why once you have made your mind up to leave why come back. Is just an extended holiday?

Fred,

No sharks around this neck of the bois - just the occasional octopus and jellyfish. It's actually easier, however, to pop into the Auchan for fresh seafood.

Most markets tend to move in 10 year cycles. Current sterling weakness isn't unique, as similar levels against the euro were last seen in 2009. Similarly, the highs of 2015 were replicated around 10 years previously. Longstanding expats have seen it all, and tend to accept it for what it is.

The problem they would have in returning to the UK, however, is that their overseas property is unlikely to have appreciated to the same extent as the UK property they left behind will have appreciated. So, if they can't afford to live abroad, I'd suggest it's highly unlikely that they'd now be able to afford to live back in the UK.

PS. 40 degrees. Yes, it has been warm this summer. You get used to it.

It's not only the fluctuating pound that influences where people want to reside.

What about the elderly in Spain who are facing hefty private medical charges over there as they get older and sicker and want to then come back to use our NHS?

But why do they face hefty private medical bills Stan? Surely the great €uropean dream covers everybody regardless?


hilly #7420 nails it!

Because many have lived too long.

8-)

Max,

They face hefty bills because that's what private health is i.e. expensive and nothing to do with any specific Country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/british-airports-warn-flights-to-europe-will-be-grounded-aviation/

Flights to Europe could be suspended in a post-Brexit legal vacuum, airports warn

The UK’s largest airports, including Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester, have warned the Government that flights to Europe could be suspended should it fail to reach a deal on aviation in the wake of Brexit.

The EU Open Skies agreement introduced in the Nineties currently provides uniform rules for the airlines and airports of member states and has helped cultivate a booming airport network allowing British holidaymakers to fly to hundreds of destinations on the continent - many at cut prices. One in two passengers handled by UK airports flies to an EU member state.

But ACI Europe, the European Region Airports Council International, which represents more than 500 airports in 45 countries, including 21 major hubs in the UK, said such freedom will not be maintained if the British government does not develop a strategy on “air connectivity” once outside the EU. It warned that legal issues could mean all flights between the EU and UK are grounded.

“The clock has been ticking since March and negotiations already began last month,” said the organisation’s director general, Olivier Jankovec. “Yet, we remain completely in the dark as to what will happen on April 1, 2019 and we have no idea how long this uncertainty will persist.

“The fact that the UK has yet to define a clear and detailed position as to what it wants - not just in terms of its new relationship with the EU, but also about how to transition there - is not helping.

“This only results in precious time being lost and potentially increases the risk of a no-deal scenario – which should be avoided at all cost, as it could ultimately result in flights between the UK and the EU being suspended.”

I want this and this and that
I want that and that and then this
oh well lets leave it for next week then .............


EU's Brexit Envoy Says Negotiations Making "Slow Progress"

BRUSSELS (Alliance News) - The European parliament's chief Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt said on Wednesday that ongoing negotiations over the terms of Britain's departure from the bloc were making "slow progress in general."

Britain, a member of the EU since 1973, is the first country ever to leave the bloc in March 2019, following a referendum last year.

Negotiators from the European Commission and Britain are meeting in Brussels for the third time this week, but so far talks have yielded little result.

"Everybody is of the opinion that a no deal scenario is the worst outcome for everybody," Verhofstadt said, adding that the option of a disorderly exit seemed to be off the table.............

EU Brexit negotiators were left “flabbergasted” after their British counterparts launched a legal deconstruction of the so-called “Brexit bill” Wednesday as the Brussels talks headed for an increasingly acrimonious impasse, EU sources have told The Telegraph.
British negotiators spent three hours launching a painstaking, line-by-line rebuttal of the EU’s demands for €100bn divorce settlement to the barely concealed fury of EU negotiators.
"There was total amazement,” the EU source said, “Everyone was completely flabbergasted that this young man from Whitehall was saying that the EU's preparation on the financial settlement was 'inadequate'. It did not go down well."

How dare that "young man from Whitehall" speak a few home truths to these bully boys..and girls. Just tell them to stick their Brexit bill where Paddy stuck his ninepence, as my old mam used to say.

Longest goodbye in History.