Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

so why do we bother to vote on any issue , it is now pointless , a police state is coming

will now never bother to vote again

Rosie.

The Courts are the last bastion to prevent the introduction of a Police State and maintain the "sovereignty" of "Government" and the "elected representatives".

That is part of their function, whether the court decision is to your liking or not.

74394 - no; there are many lifelong voters in both camps who now shudder at even their own party's candidate being elected


74399 - it could also be argued (and yes there is also a valid counter) that there was a referendum in which the country's majority voted for "out", and it is that that should be honoured


btw fred, there's an earlier post of yours which requires my attention and a sensible response, but have not yet had time and shall shortly be out for an hour or so in "the punishment block" :-)

Manuel.

74400,

I shudder at the thought of a Trump as President of the USA, in fact I shudder at the thought of Trump, who appears to me to be a psychopath.

I am not sure whether Clinton has been smeared or not, but the "crimes" she has committed seem to amount to little in practice.

If the Russians can read the e-mails, it suggests that security should be tightened.

So what was it 17 million ? voted out and some old crony with a wig and half a father christmas costume decides it's down to 600 odd people whether we can leave or not.

Well that seems fair.

i agree fred, but hillary is almost as slimy as trump is a complete loose cannon

the fbi's unsubstantiated smear was clearly orchestrated by hardline republicans, and it is appalling to think that it was even permitted under american legislation so close to election time ....... uk law of course does not permit

dil - get your facts straight about (a) the wording of the referendum and (b) what the court therefore ruled on

consensus is that the gov't would win the vote on triggering article 50, but it's the murky bits afterwards that have yet to be determined

fred - post 74374 - primarily focuses on immigration
as i have written many times, there were lots of good reasons to stay in the eu as there were for getting out
it happens that i ultimately decided to vote "out" while you were in the other camp - fair enough

the real problem as i see it with the setting up of sangatte and subsequently "the jungle" is that the french and the eu so-called ruling body allowed the refugees freedom of movement throughout eu in the first place

the refugees may have had uk targeted as their first preference for relocation, but that is not only irrelevant but is also no excuse for them being allowed to set up camp as close to the uk border as was physically possible

if i have correctly understood eu rules on refugees, they are meant to stay put in their first safe point of entry - eg they arrive somewhere along the italian coast; they are meant to stay in italy - until checked out and duly processed
that has clearly not been the case

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veering slightly ......
many brexiters shout very loudly that the immigrants are stealing 000s of low(er) paid, minimum legal wage jobs from uk indigenous youth

you imply, almost certainly correctly, that "uk indigenous youth" will not do these jobs as (presumably) they feel it is beneath their dignity and/or the difference between doing those jobs and claiming benefits is negligible


i am sure i shall now get shot at by some here :-)

Maybe if Clinton and Obama's state department hadn't tried every delaying trick in the book, including producing files at a snail's pace, shredding evidence after a subpoena, smashing phones etc, the investigation may have been over a long time ago. Fact is that the strategy was designed to delay until the closed period. Various attempts were made in court to speed up the release of documents relating to Clinton's time as Sec of State, not just the emails. I don't believe for one moment that the FBI was influenced by republicans, hard line or otherwise. Comey was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Liars need good memories, otherwise they will be caught out in the end.

A good example of the 'work ethic' on show from 'immigrants' is to visit one of the many car washes staffed by them, sit in your car, observe: i) what a fantastically good job they do cleaning your car and ii) how hard they work in so doing that task.

Then ask yourself, "How would today's 'British' youth compare in the doing of it?"

These immigrants are to be admired, IMHO. They haven't come over here to skive and lark about and get free benefits. They have come over here to work hard and earn some money to be able to help their loved ones.

"One-up from working on a car wash" say, is to get a job in an industrial unit working for a courier/logistics firm. Then, now being in full-time employment, they can send for their wife/girlfriend and kids and rent a property.

A rare example of where automation has been overtaken by (cheap) manual labour. The automatic car washers at petrol stations are being closed once they break down because they can't compete anymore. I must admit the hand wash is superior and I can't knock the work ethic and courtesy.

Of course they do a good job and work hard, many of these car wash immigrants are slaves, they would suffer even more at the hands of their 'masters'. The lucky ones are being rescued by the police.
2517

Its a fact that since 2004 when the EU expanded, employment agencies
started advertising the majority of vacancies in countries around the EU,
particularly Poland, to the detriment of the indigenous workers, who were
left the crumbs, ie: zero hour contracts, temporary work or part time, etc.

The high court ruling is a disgraceful decision...Before the referendum the
H.O.P had a vote on having a referendum, they voted in favour by 6-1

They knew or should have known, (in law ignorance is not a defence), and that
saying is very apt in this situation, because in the EU treaties it states as clear
as day that 'For a country to LEAVE the EU they HAVE to invoke article50', when
these MP'S had the vote on whether to have a referendum, THAT'S WHAT THE
OUTCOME WOULD BE, if the vote was to LEAVE..Now for this to be ignored
and overturned is OUTRAGEOUS..

iturama - 74406 - if you had listened to the radio programme that i did about the control of american media and similar, you would probably not have made your statement

comey is or was a longstanding member of the republican party ..... i haven't checked it out further, but i think i read that he was very active on the right wing of same

C, I know Comey is a republican. I am a longstanding catholic. So what? Even Obama had the grace to say that he did not believe there were any political motives behind the decision. Comey closed the case prematurely. I doubt it will stop Crooked Hillary winning but the truth will hopefully come out despite her best efforts and with luck the republicans will hold the Senate.

as i wrote earlier, apart from diehard "unmovables", americans must truly despair of the calibre of the contenders ..... they are both too awful to contemplate

Its not surprising the judgement went against BREXIT...

The three corrupt judges are part of the EU set up...

Granny,

Why don't you give up?

The vote of the judges went against you.

Get back in your kennel.

Stand by for a good QT tonight and have a guess what the biggest question will be about.

:-)