Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

re - won't pay enough

Something is for sure "Stanislav" is not only a Labour supporter but someone on the Union's black list by the Companies.

There are plenty of people they think, their work is keeping the mattress warm instead of geetting up in the morning.
But any business can not over pay workers either in order to keep the their balance sheet on the black.
No company can keep going on making loses, or trying to export when others are selling cheaper than you.

STRIKE is their motive to strangle anything with profits.

Stan , not sure how it works now but Butlins always paid their staff as little as they could get away with then charged them a ludicrous amount for accommodation and food. That's why you will find that probably less than 10% of the work force are from the local area.

Should May, Cameron and the tories be tried for treason?


"Theresa May and the shambolic Brexit negotiations"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/10/observer-view-on-theresa-may--brexit-negotiations


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"For the sake of the UK and its international reputation, the fractured, fractious Tories and their limping leader must finally renounce the lie they have peddled ever since last year’s referendum. Yes, Britain voted to leave the EU. No, it did not vote for the economic penury, falling wages, lower living standards, spiralling sterling devaluation and slacker food safety, health and environmental protections that a full-blown rupture with the single market and customs union would surely bring. It did not vote for unequal trade deals with economic superpowers such as China and the US that, if they happen at all, will be the consequence of a weakened Britain going it alone.

Britain did not vote to trash its proud, centuries-old tradition of welcoming foreigners, to diminish the hard-won protections of workers of all hues and backgrounds, to turn overseas students into suspected criminals or to weaken the civic and human rights of ordinary citizens in a constitutional democracy. It did not vote for a discriminatory migration policy that impoverishes our communities and culture, undercuts our industries, earns the contempt of all Europe and disadvantages our citizens abroad. It did not vote to give the government unprecedented legal powers over our lives with which, as we know from experience, it cannot be trusted.

As MPs prepare to vote tomorrow, they should also remember Britain did not vote for, and does not want, an enfeebled parliament that bows down before Downing Street, puts party before country and fails to stand up for the interests of all the people."-

You could not believe it, but Stanislav and Freda would ........ well you know what I mean.

The biggest worry for sterling is not Brexit, but Jeremy Corbyn
JEREMY WARNER - Telegraph - 9 September 2017

The pound has recovered a smidgen since its flirtation with euro parity a couple of weeks back, but remains almost incredibly low by historic standards. Just to put this in context, the pound would today buy you little more than six and a half French francs in old money.

A relatively reliable rule of thumb used to be that you bought the franc at anything more than 10 to the pound and sold at anything less than eight. We are way outside the range, so is it time to sell the euro?

Probably, yes, but only on a long-term view, and possibly not to buy pounds. As things stand, sterling is stuck in a kind of no-man’s land. A hard Brexit would almost certainly send the pound lower still, but a soft exit and decent trade deal with Europe would equally likely send it quite a bit higher............

Telegraph - The biggest worry for sterling is not Brexit, but Jeremy Corbyn

A soft exit will mean "more of the same"

We don't want that, we voted to get rid of that, how hard is it for the remainiacs to understand that?


Very, by the looks of it.

5,000 folks marched through London yesterday to demand that we stay in the EU. The speakers included some poor incoherent dishevelled Irish chap who I thought was a Big Issue seller invited onto the platform as part of a drive for diversity but turned out to be Bob Geldof. Though the folks, most of whom seemed to be notably physically unattractive and/ or significantly overweight showing, once again, that politics really is show business for ugly people came up with all sort reasons for protesting its clear that all wanted stay in the EU.And that is how they felt before the nation vote the other way year. These remoaners just cannot accept democracy.

Wake up!

Labour in Brexit chaos as senior MP vows to defy Jeremy Corbyn's order to vote against Repeal Bill



By Jack Maidment, Political Correspondent
11 September 2017 • 8:10am




Labour MPs have been warned that following Jeremy Corbyn’s orders and voting against a key piece of Brexit legislation risks plunging the country into chaos.

Caroline Flint, a Labour MP and a former Europe minister, said she will not adhere to the three-line-whip imposed by Mr Corbyn as she urged her colleagues not to try and “kill” the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill.

MPs are due to vote on the Bill tonight with David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, having warned that blocking it would amount to agreeing to a “chaotic” exit from the bloc.




More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/11/labour-brexit-chaos-senior-mp-vows-defy-jeremy-corbyns-order/

Earlier this week, Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek ex-Finance Minister, (who is a bit of a leftie but who we all know and love, especially on QT) advised Theresa May to "by-pass" Michel Barnier to get Brexit talks back on track.

He said that Mr Barnier had no mandate to negotiate on behalf of the EU.

An interesting thought.

Hmmm?

Yes. I think I'm all in favour of by-passing him and getting on with direct one-to-one EU trade talks.

Varoufakis is an interesting character but does like to play games. Barnier was appointed by the EU Commission, so does have instructions to present the EU's demands. Although called a negotiator, he has about as much freedom to negotiate as Goring had at Nuremberg.
There must be another term in french more suitable for his role. Extorqueur sounds about right. Maybe Principal Extorsionnaire. The English have never been very good at this foreign language stuff and simply don't understand. In german it is "ve hav vays to make you understand".

Barnier takes his orders from Big Bertha via brussels.

Nothing, but nothing will be agreed without the nod from Berlin, the other 27 simply don't count.

Agree Max. The term "EU" assumes the other 27 gave the nod in some manner and that they are informed of progress. I suspect the demands were written and agreed in the same way the democrats approved Obama care. "Just vote for it and you will find out what's in it".
As to points of query in the extortion talks, Barnier phones Junkie who says "I'm putting you on hold while I speak to the boss".

UK government confident of winning vote on Brexit legislation - spokesman

LONDON, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Theresa May's government is confident of winning a vote on a major piece of Brexit legislation, due in parliament later on Monday or early Tuesday, May's spokesman said.

Parliament is due to hold a late-night vote on whether to let the central plank of Britain's Brexit plan - the EU withdrawal bill - move to the next stage of the lawmaking process.

Asked whether the government was confident of the outcome, he said: "Yes. We've said this is a hugely important bill in terms of preparing the way for a smooth Brexit for business and the rest of the country, and we encourage all MPs (Members of Parliament) to support it."

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Up yours Hilary!